Ruth couldn't stick in Milwaukee. He had no chance at the NHL. I wish him well in whatever profession he tries next. It is better than being a 28 year old NHL rookie.
ECHL San Francisco -- ceasing operations 1/27/14
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Ruth couldn't stick in Milwaukee. He had no chance at the NHL. I wish him well in whatever profession he tries next. It is better than being a 28 year old NHL rookie.
They keep talking about Oakland. Is there anywhere else besides Oracle that would work? What about in Berkley, on the Cal Campus? Anything that has seating in the 7k seating range, and close to BART?
As far as another building with ice making abilities and large enough for a minor league team, there isn't any other venue in the Bay Area, aside from CP, Oracle and SAP.
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I'd rather have been a 28 year old NHL rookie at $550,000 minimum
Ruth's NHL deal had expired (roughly $130,00 per year) and he was on an AHL deal this season.
Agreed. He wasn't going to go to the NHL.
How are Bitetto and Liambas looking?
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I believe UC Berkley's club team plays at Oakland Ice (run by Sharks Ice).
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I see this kind of question a lot.
Since my expertise is out west, allow me to answer to arenas in the Pac-12, Mountain West, WCC, WAC, Big West, and Big Sky.
Fresno State, Save Mart Center, which I think is technically off campus.
Since Cal State Bakersfield moved into the arena where the Condors play, they don't really count.
Nobody else has a basketball arena that could accommodate hockey. I know a couple places that hosted Ice Capades or Disney On Ice, but you can't get 180 feet of ice out of any of these places except Fresno.
Anyone who wants to mention North Dakota? Their basketball teams play in a smaller arena.
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The Fargo Force play in the USHL and there are some smaller arenas that have teams in the NAHL.
You could put ice in the Bill Graham Auditorium, but my guess is that the concerts are more lucrative. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Graham_Civic_Auditorium
Isn't there a small, unused Auditorium in Oakland, by Lake Merritt?
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Here it is: http://urbanhabitat.org/19-1/allen-taylor
The Oakland Civic Auditorium. Perfect for an ECHL team. For this purpose, I am guessing that the new owners are going to want a "ready made" solution, not a build it yourself, but its too bad the Bulls owners did not build that out instead of the Cow Palace.
Isn't there a small, unused Auditorium in Oakland, by Lake Merritt?
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Here it is: http://urbanhabitat.org/19-1/allen-taylor
The Oakland Civic Auditorium. Perfect for an ECHL team. For this purpose, I am guessing that the new owners are going to want a "ready made" solution, not a build it yourself, but its too bad the Bulls owners did not build that out instead of the Cow Palace.
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rossmckeon 12:50pm via Twitter for iPhone
Latest pro hockey failure in S.F.: ECHL Bulls vacate Cow Palace today, source tells me
SF Chronicle (Sharks beat writer)
Latest pro hockey failure in S.F.: ECHL Bulls vacate Cow Palace today, source tells me
SF Chronicle (Sharks beat writer)
Sorry but there's a lot to disagree with in this post.
Growing number of kids? Give me a break. When I started as a mite in 1998, there were at least 12 different teams in NorCal at every youth level. By the time I left in 2010, there were 5 or 6. And half were owned by the Jr. Sharks, which is NOT a good thing for hockey in the area. That organization is just scum and I won't get into why but I have very strong reasons for saying that.
And the Pleasanton rink is about as accurate a rumor as bigfoot sightings. They've been talking about that since I lived there as a kid back in the 90's. That will simply never happen it feels.
I really think part of the reason the Bulls failed is because of this. Yes, the Sharks are popular. That's because they win. The people in the are aren't hockey fans. And I can safely say this because up until this year, I spent my entire life there.
It sucks that the Bulls failed. Really does. Wish it worked out but that's the way she goes.
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It's official. The SF Bulls have folded. I just received an email from the front office. Official statement should come out shortly.
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http://www.csnbayarea.com/sharks/echls-san-francisco-bulls-cease-operations?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo
With letter to STH announcing closure.
With letter to STH announcing closure.
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PollakOnSharks 2:47pm via Web SFBulls of ECHL fold. #SJSharks say five prospects there now will be reassigned in near future.
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Everything posted by LadyStanley are actual numbers. Not sure how you can "disagree" with it, but hey, this is the internet.
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Sharks have five prospects will Bulls.
SanJoseSharks 3:15pm via HootSuite Statement from #SJSharks GM Doug Wilson on @SFBulls. go.sjsharks.com/t0FfH
SanJoseSharks 3:15pm via HootSuite Statement from #SJSharks GM Doug Wilson on @SFBulls. go.sjsharks.com/t0FfH
While I agree that 2 mil in loss over 1.5 years is a good reason, I'd love more details.
The Bulls installed new ice making equipment, new scoreboards, hell, they even brought in real Internet Access to the Cow Palace.
I can buy that expenses were greater than revenue, my question is WHY? Rent too high? Not enough seats sold?
What could have helped this?
The Bulls installed new ice making equipment, new scoreboards, hell, they even brought in real Internet Access to the Cow Palace.
I can buy that expenses were greater than revenue, my question is WHY? Rent too high? Not enough seats sold?
What could have helped this?
LadyStanley
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Attendance dropped by half from last season (which coincided with NHL lockout).
That's a big part.
They were trying to renegotiate new deal with Cow Palace on lease, and didn't get anywhere.
That's a big part.
They were trying to renegotiate new deal with Cow Palace on lease, and didn't get anywhere.
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http://www.echl.com/san-francisco-ceases-operations-p190053
New schedule coming.
http://www.echl.com/echl-transactions-jan-27-p190055
Rights to two players traded (I'm thinking those might be "future considerations" redemption).
Five players are Sharks (NHL and AHL) prospects.
All the rest of the team is declared UFAs.
New schedule coming.
http://www.echl.com/echl-transactions-jan-27-p190055
Rights to two players traded (I'm thinking those might be "future considerations" redemption).
Five players are Sharks (NHL and AHL) prospects.
All the rest of the team is declared UFAs.
I'd love more details on this. I cant imagine the Cow Palace makes more sitting empty. There is probably a reason I am not a CEO, but if it was up to me, $15 admission, all seats, no parking charges, and advertise $5 PBR nights. People would go just for the cheap beer.
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Hey RuZZia - Cut Your Losses and Go Home.
You answer your own question - they probably sunk well over $1M into the ice plant, scoreboards, and all. When you start $1M in the hole in the minor leagues, you're starting out pretty deep in the hole.
Had Curcio picked a city and a venue that was ready for hockey, he'd have been able to plow that $1M into marketing and probably done a little better.
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I did a little digging, and according to Curcio they spent $2M in preparing the Cow Palace for hockey. How they ever thought they could be profitable, I'll never know...
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