Confirmed with Link: Eberle to the Islanders for Strome

[PositiveCashFlow]

If this site was around 29 years ao, I bet the same posters would be running Gtretzky down, and justifing the trade to LA.

Unfortunately no one posted about the trade (sale), but here are some "message board posts" from the 1980's which pertained to Gretzky

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/net.sport.hockey/gretzky|sort:relevance

 

[PositiveCashFlow]

If you want to look up other NHL "message board posts" from the 1980's:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/net.sport.hockey

 

[rboomercat90]

51 points and a plus rating. He proved it last year

What was the stat again? Points in three games against playoff teams not named Calgary all year long. Something like that. If he's proved anything it's that he can't be effective against good teams.

When did plus/minus start to mean something around here? When he was a minus player it was because the team was so bad. Everybody had a bad rating. Didn't mean anything for individual players. Now that the teams goal differential has improved and pretty much everybody was a plus it suddenly means something that Eberle was a plus? Keep cherry picking your stats.

 

[harpoon]

They are the faces of the worst era in franchise history by a long shot. Who cares how many points they put up on garbage teams.

Always the same old story.
Put up garbage points playing on garbage teams.
You act like it's Eberle's fault management flat out tried to lose at least one season and barely made an effort in a couple others.

Eberle and Hall, and RNH too for that matter, never got to play with any more than two or three NHL dmen on their team at one time for most of their careers in Edmonton. Never mind playing with one who was a competent puck mover.

Goaltending was mostly a tire fire, saving a few good stretches put in by Dubnyk and Khabibulin.

Some fans persist in acting like these kids never respected the jersey, didn't want to win, never cared about the fans, and just shuffled their way through seasons collecting their $ 6 million. People act like they wanted to play on a loser.

I knew this would happen as soon as short sighted fans started cheering the tank hoping for quick lotto fixes, and thereby giving Katz and stooges even less reason to start getting as serious about the team on the ice as they were about the Team NewArena and Spinoffs.

I think all those kids were let down big time by the team. And that goes all the way back to Gagner. Sucks to see the fans letting them down too by not even giving them any credit at all for services rendered, while goofs like Ference and Pouliot - who did pretty much nothing for the team - get credited with 'two good seasons' on their way out.

Tldr - Eberle mostly did as he was paid to do. Yeah he was overpaid by a million or so, but so what given all the cap $ this club has wasted over the last six seasons. He tried, he wanted to win, but him and the lotto picks just didn't have the body types, the combined skill set, or the supporting cast required to win in the NHL. How is it that some fans have to keep acting like one poor playoff series, against possibly the worst style matchup in the league for a guy like Eberle, is going to define him as a loser or a guy who didn't want to win?

 

[MessierII]

Always the same old story.
Put up garbage points playing on garbage teams.
You act like it's Eberle's fault management flat out tried to lose at least one season and barely made an effort in a couple others.

Eberle and Hall, and RNH too for that matter, never got to play with any more than two or three NHL dmen on their team at one time for most of their careers in Edmonton. Never mind playing with one who was a competent puck mover.

Goaltending was mostly a tire fire, saving a few good stretches put in by Dubnyk and Khabibulin.

Some fans persist in acting like these kids never respected the jersey, didn't want to win, never cared about the fans, and just shuffled their way through seasons collecting their $ 6 million. People act like they wanted to play on a loser.

I knew this would happen as soon as short sighted fans started cheering the tank hoping for quick lotto fixes, and thereby giving Katz and stooges even less reason to start getting as serious about the team on the ice as they were about the Team NewArena and Spinoffs.

I think all those kids were let down big time by the team. And that goes all the way back to Gagner. Sucks to see the fans letting them down too by not even giving them any credit at all for services rendered, while goofs like Ference and Pouliot - who did pretty much nothing for the team - get credited with 'two good seasons' on their way out.

Tldr - Eberle mostly did as he was paid to do. Yeah he was overpaid by a million or so, but so what given all the cap $ this club has wasted over the last six seasons. He tried, he wanted to win, but him and the lotto picks just didn't have the body types, the combined skill set, or the supporting cast required to win in the NHL. How is it that some fans have to keep acting like one poor playoff series, against possibly the worst style matchup in the league for a guy like Eberle, is going to define him as a loser or a guy who didn't want to win?

It doesn't matter if management damaged them. It might not be their fault but at the end of the day they are what they are now and it's not good enough.

 

[phaedrusDH]

Eberle had his best seasons when the nhl was trying to enforce obstruction rules. As they relaxed the calls, it becomes tougher for perimeter players to succeed.

We saw in last years' playoffs how hard it is to get room to dangle. Eberle was a complete ghost in the playoffs and is not the type of player needed to win in this era of big boy hockey. If the nhl had the same rules mentality as it did 6 years ago, eberle is still a force.

Exactly. It's harder for him to get to the net for high % shots, hence the drop-off there.

I think other NHL teams have recognized these problems, and it's why the return for Eberle was not greater.

 

[rboomercat90]

Exactly. It's harder for him to get to the net for high % shots, hence the drop-off there.

I think other NHL teams have recognized these problems, and it's why the return for Eberle was not greater.

All these people blaming Eberle's low shooting percentage for his drop in production aren't taking into account that one of the biggest reasons for the drop off was that he wasn't getting into good shot spots any more. He's taking lower percentage shots and that's why it's fallen.he needs to get tougher and fight for better position for better shooting opportunities. He's getting older and slower. It's not some automatic guarantee that it's just going to happen for him.

 

[bobbythebrain]

All these people blaming Eberle's low shooting percentage for his drop in production aren't taking into account that one of the biggest reasons for the drop off was that he wasn't getting into good shot spots any more. He's taking lower percentage shots and that's why it's fallen.he needs to get tougher and fight for better position for better shooting opportunities. He's getting older and slower. It's not some automatic guarantee that it's just going to happen for him.

Wrong. It's already been proven his shots mostly came from high quality positions, He was 2nd on the team in that aspect

 

[McDaddy]

Wrong. It's already been proven his shots mostly came from high quality positions, He was 2nd on the team in that aspect

I think the issue was mainly that he wasn't even able to get a proper shot off in those spots. Shooting it at the crest of the goalie every time or skying it over the net from a high percentage shot position shouldn't even really count.

Those advanced stats are kind of deceiving at times.

 

[bobbythebrain]

What was the stat again? Points in three games against playoff teams not named Calgary all year long. Something like that. If he's proved anything it's that he can't be effective against good teams.

When did plus/minus start to mean something around here? When he was a minus player it was because the team was so bad. Everybody had a bad rating. Didn't mean anything for individual players. Now that the teams goal differential has improved and pretty much everybody was a plus it suddenly means something that Eberle was a plus? Keep cherry picking your stats.

Nobody is cherry picking. You just don't want to interpret the stats . That's on you

There was a 12 game+ stretch where Ebs barely didn't allow the opposition a quality shot while he was on the ice

Again, numerous articles have been written breaking down the stats. Maybe you should have read some?

Ebs did alot wrong that cost him his position. But the stuff you are posting...not so much. You are cherry picking stats here based on past. Way off base. He played bad D and took bad shots lol. Both wrong!! Generic nonsense

Ebs cost himself on the boards(not enough pucks won, not physical enough), poor shooting %(mostly cost him)and a bad playoff(clincher). That's it!

Had he converted more chances in the reg season, this would be a different discussion. His playoffs however were inexcusable

The stuff you are posting...simply not true.

It's like faulting Rick Nash for being bad defensively based on his CLB years, but that is not true in NYR

 

[russ99]

Meh. The issue with the key rebuild forwards is that MacTavish fell in love with trying to recreate the 80s Oilers offense, and the league doesn't work that way anymore. So they played multiple seasons and never had to work at the less sexy areas of their games as long as the puck was going in the net. Eakins and his meatball antics and that horrible month or two where MacTavish got behind the bench made things even worse.

Look at Schultz's turnaround in Pittsburgh for example of what a player needs to do to reinvent his game after that mess.

Incompetent management messsed up that group, you can't lay it all on the players. I wish them luck on their new teams, but the Oilers need to move forwards, not backwards.

If you feel like blaming someone, blame Katz for messing up this franchise for a half decade by hiring his 80s Oiler ex-drinking buddies to run the club.

 

[kelsier]

The hecks. That's one terrible trade (excluding the budget management necessities). Soon-to-be-in-prime Strome's scoring rate in the NHL was 0,43 PPG last season. That's not worthy of Eberle. Considering the past trades Chia negotiating skills are questionable at best. It's funny when Snow has received tons of warranted criticism from his past transactions and now he's basically toying with the Oilers' GM. Not even a seventh rounder coming back. This could be bad looking long term since Chia is more or less signalling other GMs that he can easily be toyed with and seemingly is on constant desperation mode. A potential Snowball effect.

 

[McTedi]

The hecks. That's one terrible trade (excluding the budget management necessities). Soon-to-be-in-prime Strome's scoring rate in the NHL was 0,43 PPG last season. That's not worthy of Eberle. Considering the past trades Chia negotiating skills are questionable at best. It's funny when Snow has received tons of warranted criticism from his past transactions and now he's basically toying with the Oilers' GM. Not even a seventh rounder coming back. This could be bad looking long term since Chia is more or less signalling other GMs that he can easily be toyed with and seemingly is on constant desperation mode. A potential Snowball effect.

Yah I'm sure that's exactly what will happen. Good grief.

 

[Pointteen]

The hecks. That's one terrible trade (excluding the budget management necessities). Soon-to-be-in-prime Strome's scoring rate in the NHL was 0,43 PPG last season. That's not worthy of Eberle. Considering the past trades Chia negotiating skills are questionable at best. It's funny when Snow has received tons of warranted criticism from his past transactions and now he's basically toying with the Oilers' GM. Not even a seventh rounder coming back. This could be bad looking long term since Chia is more or less signalling other GMs that he can easily be toyed with and seemingly is on constant desperation mode. A potential Snowball effect.

Great opportunity to coin the term Garthball gets wasted.

 

[Mr Sakich]

Nobody is cherry picking. You just don't want to interpret the stats . That's on you

There was a 12 game+ stretch where Ebs barely didn't allow the opposition a quality shot while he was on the ice

Again, numerous articles have been written breaking down the stats. Maybe you should have read some?

Ebs did alot wrong that cost him his position. But the stuff you are posting...not so much. You are cherry picking stats here based on past. Way off base. He played bad D and took bad shots lol. Both wrong!! Generic nonsense

Ebs cost himself on the boards(not enough pucks won, not physical enough), poor shooting %(mostly cost him)and a bad playoff(clincher). That's it!

Had he converted more chances in the reg season, this would be a different discussion. His playoffs however were inexcusable

The stuff you are posting...simply not true.

It's like faulting Rick Nash for being bad defensively based on his CLB years, but that is not true in NYR

I looked at his game log on nhl.com and the post was mostly true. Last year, Eberle had 3 goals vs playoff teams not named calgary. In 37 games vs playoff teams, he had a total of 3 goals. 2 came in one game vs pittsburgh

Last year in 24 games vs western conference playoff teams not named calgary, he had 1 goal. It was in a loss to nashville. He had zero goals last year vs anaheim, San Jose, Chi, StL, Minny etc

Against good teams, he completely disappeared

 

[Aerchon]

I looked at his game log on nhl.com and the post was mostly true. Last year, Eberle had 3 goals vs playoff teams not named calgary. In 37 games vs playoff teams, he had a total of 3 goals. 2 came in one game vs pittsburgh

Last year in 24 games vs western conference playoff teams not named calgary, he had 1 goal. It was in a loss to nashville. He had zero goals last year vs anaheim, San Jose, Chi, StL, Minny etc

Against good teams, he completely disappeared

This is one of those fun cases where both are true and when used separately paint a incomplete picture.

Eberle is not as good against better teams... Not exactly shocking news since that applies to most players. But that ignores how awesome he is against weaker teams that to make the playoffs you still need to beat. Regularly. Hell Calgary made the playoffs last year almost exclusively beating bad teams.

As well. I think Eberles two way game was its best ever last year. Very improved and very valuable to the team.

Eberle absolutely was going to the tough areas last year. He just couldn't score to save his soul. So many of those opportunities I could have scored on in the same situation. Gross and embarrassing how much he choked last year. But this has been getting worse as time went on. His shooting coach obviously did not help.

Whatever is going on in his head/hands I don't think it was going to improve in Edmonton. If it improves in NYI thats great but at the same time if he scores 30 next year I personally will start to wonder how many of those open nets he missed were perhaps intentional. Conspiracy rediculous I know but his shooting was so bad last year its hard to imagine it ever getting back to where it was.

All that said he was obviously the guy that needed to go, primarily because of cap restraints.

Eberle's play, weird as it was, absolutely helped us to where we ended up.

Hope Strome can find his mojo with the Oilers and replace what Eberle brought last year. Definitely possible if not exactly likely.

 

[Mr Sakich]

edit - deleted post.

 

[Laineux]

If you want to look up other NHL "message board posts" from the 1980's:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/net.sport.hockey

Were those actually posted to Internet back in the 80s? Anyways, really interesting stuff.

 

[Dorian2]

Means nothing to many Oiler fans apparently. It's embarrassing to be honest.
Never mind that Eberle leaves Edmonton as the guy who put the most pucks in the net for this franchise since he first put the jersey on.
Not one of the big lotto picks, lowly 22nd pick Eberle.
Pretty disgusting some of the posts made about Eberle and Hall on a site that is supposed to be for Oiler supporters.
Meanwhile I've learned that Benoit Pouliot was a quality signing by the Oil and even had two 'good' seasons in Edmonton.
Eberle and Hall = addition by subtraction.
Pouliot = why did Chiarelli buy this guy out, he was good for another year. Derp.

Well said.

 

[McDNicks17]

Tldr - Eberle mostly did as he was paid to do. Yeah he was overpaid by a million or so, but so what given all the cap $ this club has wasted over the last six seasons. He tried, he wanted to win, but him and the lotto picks just didn't have the body types, the combined skill set, or the supporting cast required to win in the NHL. How is it that some fans have to keep acting like one poor playoff series, against possibly the worst style matchup in the league for a guy like Eberle, is going to define him as a loser or a guy who didn't want to win?

He was great during the dark days.

The problem was he fell off a cliff the second the team looked to be competitive. Two brutal seasons followed by an even worse playoffs.

 

[PositiveCashFlow]

Were those actually posted to Internet back in the 80s? Anyways, really interesting stuff.

They were. Most of the posters were University students on university computers that had access to the net.sports.hockey "forum"

 

[CREW99AW]

Good luck to Strome. One of my biggest complaints about Cappy/Snow has been underachieving top prospects.
I cannot put all the blame on the ex-head coach, but he carries the majority of it for Strome's slow development.

 

[rboomercat90]

The hecks. That's one terrible trade (excluding the budget management necessities). Soon-to-be-in-prime Strome's scoring rate in the NHL was 0,43 PPG last season. That's not worthy of Eberle. Considering the past trades Chia negotiating skills are questionable at best. It's funny when Snow has received tons of warranted criticism from his past transactions and now he's basically toying with the Oilers' GM. Not even a seventh rounder coming back. This could be bad looking long term since Chia is more or less signalling other GMs that he can easily be toyed with and seemingly is on constant desperation mode. A potential Snowball effect.

You ever hear the term "salary cap"? That's what this trade was about.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

The hecks. That's one terrible trade (excluding the budget management necessities). Soon-to-be-in-prime Strome's scoring rate in the NHL was 0,43 PPG last season. That's not worthy of Eberle. Considering the past trades Chia negotiating skills are questionable at best. It's funny when Snow has received tons of warranted criticism from his past transactions and now he's basically toying with the Oilers' GM. Not even a seventh rounder coming back. This could be bad looking long term since Chia is more or less signalling other GMs that he can easily be toyed with and seemingly is on constant desperation mode. A potential Snowball effect.

Who are you?

 

[Perfect_Drug]

You ever hear the term "salary cap"? That's what this trade was about.

Fairweather uninformed hockey fans are tend to be unaware of a cap. I'm surprises to read about it on these boards.

My Vancouver friends say things like how they should offering stamkos tavares and price the max salary. The trade the sedins foe draisaitl and McDavid and get Gaudreau for Tanev.