Proposal: Eberle to Islanders

[LordNeverLose]

Neither of which are interesting for Eberle.

I was responding to this

Unless a top 4 damn is coming back, Edmonton won't trade Eberle.

Do you disagree that both CDH and Boychuk are top4 defensemen?

 

[ManofSteel55]

I was responding to this



Do you disagree that both CDH and Boychuk are top4 defensemen?

No, they are. But neither are the type of player we need at this point. We need a Nick Leddy type, a puck mover. Another shut down guy like CDH or even a well balanced guy like Boychuk aren't really the pieces we need to be shopping for.

 

[Homesick]

The Oilers can't afford to give up a RW for anything short of an overpayment. No way in hell that Kassian will be in the top 6

 

[Felix Unger]

Can this just end? Mercy!

 

[oilerbear]

Eberle does fit a need, for sure. However, it doesn't seem like Snow is interested in Eberle. Staple has insinuated this numerous times and there was a rumor that Snow had turned down Eberle for Hamonic at the peak of the Hamonic rumors. I would like him, but I'm not giving up deHaan. MDC and a 1st? I'd think about it. He'd be a great fit with Tavares and Ladd.

I also believe that Ho-Sang can fill what would be Eberle's spot not this year but the year after that. Eberle has too high of a cap hit to want to take on that contract.

Eberle
He is an Even player under Renney; Krueger; Nelson and healthy games with Tmac.
11-12 Renney PvP +4 78 gm 34G 76P .435 GPG .975 PPG

12-13 Kruger PvP 48gm 16G 37P -4 .333 GPG .771 PPG

13-14 Eakins PvP 80gm 28G 65P -11 .350 GPG .813 PPG
14-15 Eakins PvP 30gm 6G 18P -13 .200 GPG .600 GPG

14-15 MacT PvP 5gm 0G 2A -1 .400 PPG

14-15 Nelson PvP 46gm 18G 43P -2 .391 GPG .935 PPG

15-16 Tmac PvP 13gm injured 3G 3P -11 .231 GPG .231 PPG

15-16 Tmac PvP 56gm healthy games.
RNH Center PVP 19gm 7G 18P +1 .400 GPG .95
Letestu Center 2nd comp 9gm 1G 1P -2 .200 GPG .200 PPG
Mcdavid center PvP 17gm 9g 18p Even .529 GPG 1.06 PPG
RNh return from Injury PvP 11gm 5G &P Even .454 GPG .636 PPG

Healthy Eberle with Healthy RNH and real coaching
PvP 191gm 75G 174P -1 .393 GPG .91 PPG

Healthy Ebs with Healthy RNH and Eakins coaching
110gm 34G 83P -24 .309 GPG .755 PPG

Healthy ebs with Healthy RNH under Tmac
PvP 19gm 7G 18P +1 .400 GPG .947 PPG

Healthy ebs playing PvP with Mcdavid
17gm 9G 18P Even .529 GPG 1.06 PPG

 

[Jester9881]

No, they are. But neither are the type of player we need at this point. We need a Nick Leddy type, a puck mover. Another shut down guy like CDH or even a well balanced guy like Boychuk aren't really the pieces we need to be shopping for.

Do you mean a puck rusher? Because Calvin de Haan is absolutely a puck moving defenseman. Leddy is more of a rushing D that will carry the puck in and join the play.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Do you mean a puck rusher? Because Calvin de Haan is absolutely a puck moving defenseman. Leddy is more of a rushing D that will carry the puck in and join the play.

I think we are getting into semantics here, but to me the type of puck mover we need has to have the ability to either rush the puck out or pass it out effectively to rushing forwards. To me it takes more than a solid breakout pass to be a good puck mover, although that is certainly a part of the package. We have had guys recently who I would consider having a decent breakout pass, Klefbom, Sekera, Schultz when he wasn't being a dumbass. But we haven't had a good all around puck mover who could hit the pass and skate it out when needed since Ryan Whitney lost his mobility with his defective foot.

 

[oilerbear]

Eberle + sekera + 2017 first for
Hamonic

We know that there are 7.5 to 13.5 shots in the HSCA (area were 8.5 to 20% success shots.) ie. above league average.

so you kind of want top 60 HSCAD.

Last year the oilers had
klefbom
1st comp Top 60 HSCA D (10.12 shots)
missed 52 games
.
Davidson
2nd comp top 35 HSCA D (9.68 shots)
#32 D 1.85 GA/60
missed 31 games.

As a result
Sekera
top 10 HSCAD facing 2nd comp (8.00 shots)
2.05 EVGA/60
had to play
1st comp were he is a bottom 40 HSCAD (12.13 shots)
2.59 EVGA/60

Fayne partnered with Sekera who dragged down his HSCA (12.15) and SA/60 results.

oilers were forced to play:
4 bottom 20 HSCA D 13.00+ HSC shots
reinhart 2nd comp 29Gm 2.77 EVGA/60
Nurse 2nd comp 69gm 2.91 EVGA/60
Gryba 3rd comp 53gm
Schultz 3rd comp 45gm 2.82 EVGA/60
As you can see poor HSC SA D have poor GA/60

Last year
Travis hamonic is a
bottom 60 HSCA D
28.95 SA/60 #120 D #4/5 d results.
2.35 EVGA/60 #160 D #6 d results.

So harmonic does face 1st comp but his
bottom pairing Shot and GA suppression is not what PC was after.

His idea of a #1 D is not #10 fwd level scoting from the top 30 off d.

He wanted elite Shot suppression and GA that you see from D men like Pronger; Lidstrom; Chara; Weber; Hjarlmasson; Doughty.

So what did we get in Larsson?
Adam Larsson
faces the 15th highest comp
toughest ZS in the league.
top 10 HSCA D
#5 D 25.02 SA/60
#2 EVGA D
#4 PKGA d in game

your bottom end shot suppression and GA D does not fit what PC was chasing.

you look at top 40 HSCAD;
with elite shot suppression
you end up with some of the best EVGA d in the game:
K. Miller 2nd comp #1 1.56 EVGA/60
Larsson upr 1st comp #2 1.58
Parayko 3rd comp #3 1.62
Martinez 3rd comp #4 1.66 cup winner
Cole 3rd comp #5 1.68 cup winner
Brodin upr 2nd comp #6 1.74
Niskanen bot 1st comp #6 1.74
Manson 1st comp #8 1.75
Kindl bot 3rd comp #8 1.75
Doughty upr 2nd comp #10 1.76

Davidson 2nd comp #32 D 1.85 EVGA/60

boychuk bot 1st comp #33 D 1.86 EVGA/60
Leddy 2.14
De Haan 2.27
Hamonic 2.35
Hickey 2.60
Pulock 2.94

PC wants Dman that defend the HSC area and get the puck as quickly to the top 9-10 forwards that out produce the bestop 10 off d in the league.

In the fast league you do not want Dmen sakting up the puck cause it allows the opposition toreset its defence.
you want quick thinking transition passes to highly mobile forwards that do not allow defensive resets.
making it easier to get shots in the above league average success area. HSCA

 

[Bossy Mike]

We know that there are 7.5 to 13.5 shots in the HSCA (area were 8.5 to 20% success shots.) ie. above league average.

so you kind of want top 60 HSCAD.

Last year the oilers had
klefbom
1st comp Top 60 HSCA D (10.12 shots)
missed 52 games
.
Davidson
2nd comp top 35 HSCA D (9.68 shots)
#32 D 1.85 GA/60
missed 31 games.

As a result
Sekera
top 10 HSCAD facing 2nd comp (8.00 shots)
2.05 EVGA/60
had to play
1st comp were he is a bottom 40 HSCAD (12.13 shots)
2.59 EVGA/60

Fayne partnered with Sekera who dragged down his HSCA (12.15) and SA/60 results.

oilers were forced to play:
4 bottom 20 HSCA D 13.00+ HSC shots
reinhart 2nd comp 29Gm 2.77 EVGA/60
Nurse 2nd comp 69gm 2.91 EVGA/60
Gryba 3rd comp 53gm
Schultz 3rd comp 45gm 2.82 EVGA/60
As you can see poor HSC SA D have poor GA/60

Last year
Travis hamonic is a
bottom 60 HSCA D
28.95 SA/60 #120 D #4/5 d results.
2.35 EVGA/60 #160 D #6 d results.

So harmonic does face 1st comp but his
bottom pairing Shot and GA suppression is not what PC was after.

His idea of a #1 D is not #10 fwd level scoting from the top 30 off d.

He wanted elite Shot suppression and GA that you see from D men like Pronger; Lidstrom; Chara; Weber; Hjarlmasson; Doughty.

So what did we get in Larsson?
Adam Larsson
faces the 15th highest comp
toughest ZS in the league.
top 10 HSCA D
#5 D 25.02 SA/60
#2 EVGA D
#4 PKGA d in game

your bottom end shot suppression and GA D does not fit what PC was chasing.

you look at top 40 HSCAD;
with elite shot suppression
you end up with some of the best EVGA d in the game:
K. Miller 2nd comp #1 1.56 EVGA/60
Larsson upr 1st comp #2 1.58
Parayko 3rd comp #3 1.62
Martinez 3rd comp #4 1.66 cup winner
Cole 3rd comp #5 1.68 cup winner
Brodin upr 2nd comp #6 1.74
Niskanen bot 1st comp #6 1.74
Manson 1st comp #8 1.75
Kindl bot 3rd comp #8 1.75
Doughty upr 2nd comp #10 1.76

Davidson 2nd comp #32 D 1.85 EVGA/60

boychuk bot 1st comp #33 D 1.86 EVGA/60
Leddy 2.14
De Haan 2.27
Hamonic 2.35
Hickey 2.60
Pulock 2.94

Pretty confident in your upcoming season. Nice! I would take your first and those bits.

 

[Jester9881]

We know that there are 7.5 to 13.5 shots in the HSCA (area were 8.5 to 20% success shots.) ie. above league average.

so you kind of want top 60 HSCAD.

Last year the oilers had
klefbom
1st comp Top 60 HSCA D (10.12 shots)
missed 52 games
.
Davidson
2nd comp top 35 HSCA D (9.68 shots)
#32 D 1.85 GA/60
missed 31 games.

As a result
Sekera
top 10 HSCAD facing 2nd comp (8.00 shots)
2.05 EVGA/60
had to play
1st comp were he is a bottom 40 HSCAD (12.13 shots)
2.59 EVGA/60

Fayne partnered with Sekera who dragged down his HSCA (12.15) and SA/60 results.

oilers were forced to play:
4 bottom 20 HSCA D 13.00+ HSC shots
reinhart 2nd comp 29Gm 2.77 EVGA/60
Nurse 2nd comp 69gm 2.91 EVGA/60
Gryba 3rd comp 53gm
Schultz 3rd comp 45gm 2.82 EVGA/60
As you can see poor HSC SA D have poor GA/60

Last year
Travis hamonic is a
bottom 60 HSCA D
28.95 SA/60 #120 D #4/5 d results.
2.35 EVGA/60 #160 D #6 d results.

So harmonic does face 1st comp but his
bottom pairing Shot and GA suppression is not what PC was after.

His idea of a #1 D is not #10 fwd level scoting from the top 30 off d.

He wanted elite Shot suppression and GA that you see from D men like Pronger; Lidstrom; Chara; Weber; Hjarlmasson; Doughty.

So what did we get in Larsson?
Adam Larsson
faces the 15th highest comp
toughest ZS in the league.
top 10 HSCA D
#5 D 25.02 SA/60
#2 EVGA D
#4 PKGA d in game

your bottom end shot suppression and GA D does not fit what PC was chasing.

you look at top 40 HSCAD;
with elite shot suppression
you end up with some of the best EVGA d in the game:
K. Miller 2nd comp #1 1.56 EVGA/60
Larsson upr 1st comp #2 1.58
Parayko 3rd comp #3 1.62
Martinez 3rd comp #4 1.66 cup winner
Cole 3rd comp #5 1.68 cup winner
Brodin upr 2nd comp #6 1.74
Niskanen bot 1st comp #6 1.74
Manson 1st comp #8 1.75
Kindl bot 3rd comp #8 1.75
Doughty upr 2nd comp #10 1.76

Davidson 2nd comp #32 D 1.85 EVGA/60

boychuk bot 1st comp #33 D 1.86 EVGA/60
Leddy 2.14
De Haan 2.27
Hamonic 2.35
Hickey 2.60
Pulock 2.94

PC wants Dman that defend the HSC area and get the puck as quickly to the top 9-10 forwards that out produce the bestop 10 off d in the league.

In the fast league you do not want Dmen sakting up the puck cause it allows the opposition toreset its defence.
you want quick thinking transition passes to highly mobile forwards that do not allow defensive resets.
making it easier to get shots in the above league average success area. HSCA

I guess we can both rest easy then since both Harmonic and Hamonic won't be getting traded.

 

[CREW99AW]

He's from Edmonton though, so I think there's a shot

I know he is from Edmonton. I would still be surprised if he uprooted his young family and waived.
If he had wanted to play elsewhere, he would have at least tested the ufa market. Instead he signed before even reaching July 1st.