Dreger: Eberle has probably played last game for Oilers

[kmo429]

It's not even remotely as bad as the contracts Ladd, Demers and Eriksson received.

Can't evaluate all those comparisons one year in. I can see Ladd still being a 25 goal guy in 3 years. I can see Lucic being a 4th liner. Has played a style for years that doesn't promote longevity. THink he'll be feelign the effects at 32 many NHLers don't feel until 36/37.

 

[McFlyingV]

Seguin, Hall, Kessel, Wheeler

Kessel deal "worked out" only because the unexpectedly ended up with the pick to take Seguin.

Hall deal worked out great. As for the Wheeler deal, you can't be serious. It looks bad in hindsight, but at the time he was 7 years post draft and had one season over 40 points to show for it. He was what 2 or 3 years away from UFA and still hadn't shown much.

 

[Cawz]

Trading a scoring forward for pennies on the dollar, only to see him flourish elsewhere seems to be Chiarelli's M.O.

I'd say building a strong playoff caliber team is more his MO, but whatever, thats just reality talking.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

What's the value of a soft 60-65 point winger?

Actually, I have a question for Oilers fans: is it a coincidence that Eberle went from 60-65 to 45-50 (mainly falling behind in ES production) the same year Taylor Hall stopped being his most common winger linemate at ES?

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

What's the value of a soft 60-65 point winger?

Actually, I have a question for Oilers fans: is it a coincidence that Eberle went from 60-65 to 45-50 (mainly falling behind in ES production) the same year Taylor Hall stopped being his most common winger linemate at ES?

In the 2015-16 season, Eberle only play 98 mins 5 on 5 with Taylor Hall. Hall is a great player though and does make players around him better, Eberle did benefit from playing with him in the past, but I think his production dropped mostly due to confidence. Eberle hired a shooting tutor over the summer cause McLellan wanted him to work on his one timer (to play with McDavid), where he was previously more of a corral and pick his spot with an accurate wrist shot kind of player, he didn't acclimate well to the new play style and it led to him having a subpar season and hurt his confidence.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

What are Oiler's fans looking for/expecting, exactly?

The Hurricanes could 100% use a talented right winger, but Eberle is weak on the boards and somewhat overpaid, and it's a risk that his production rebounds for the reasons you said- but what do the Oilers want? Picks? Roster player?

 

[Cawz]

Actually, I have a question for Oilers fans: is it a coincidence that Eberle went from 60-65 to 45-50 (mainly falling behind in ES production) the same year Taylor Hall stopped being his most common winger linemate at ES?

Well first off, not sure where youre getting the 45-50 range from. The only years he was under 50 points was when he played less than 70 games.

But this year he was really snakebit. Sometimes it just happens. But he still potted 20.

He’s still a productive winger, but due to the structure of the team, he may likely be the odd man out.

 

[ManofSteel55]

He is not a UFA, and is under an RFA contract. If he were an RFA today, he would get closer to 4 mill with the Oilers. The Oilers will have to retain, or take back a bad contract if they trade him, or prey Vegas takes him.

My point is that he is far more than the "2.5.-3 million dollar player" that the guy I had quoted suggested. The Oilers won't retain. They might end up taking back another guy who needs a change of scenery. And if he was made available to Vegas, they would take him in a heartbeat.

 

[ManofSteel55]

What are Oiler's fans looking for/expecting, exactly?

The Hurricanes could 100% use a talented right winger, but Eberle is weak on the boards and somewhat overpaid, and it's a risk that his production rebounds for the reasons you said- but what do the Oilers want? Picks? Roster player?

I don't think any of us are expecting picks and/or prospects without taking any salary back. Probably a roster player, personally I want a 3C who is good in the faceoff circle for him as an ideal scenario, but we also need a #4 RD and a replacement top six RW.

 

[Cawz]

What are Oiler's fans looking for/expecting, exactly?

The Hurricanes could 100% use a talented right winger, but Eberle is weak on the boards and somewhat overpaid, and it's a risk that his production rebounds for the reasons you said- but what do the Oilers want? Picks? Roster player?

I'm not going to play GM, but yeah, if a team wants a talented RW, he’s a good option. Basically a lock for 20 goals even during an poor season, but not without his warts, as you've noted.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Seguin, Hall, Kessel, Wheeler

Kessel deal "worked out" only because the unexpectedly ended up with the pick to take Seguin.

Seguin, I admitted to.

The Hall deal worked out amazingly for Chiarelli's team, in hindsight the value was fair and nobody truly realized how good Larsson is.

The Kessel deal worked out because Chiarelli knew he was getting good picks. Value wise, he won that deal hands down.

Wheeler - I might be wrong here, but wasn't Wheeler a 25 point player when Chiarelli traded him? Hardly the offensive star that the others were.

 

[Mainehockey33]

My point is that he is far more than the "2.5.-3 million dollar player" that the guy I had quoted suggested. The Oilers won't retain. They might end up taking back another guy who needs a change of scenery. And if he was made available to Vegas, they would take him in a heartbeat.

I said Edmonton would have to retain $2-3M, and no contender is taking on that contract as it is.

 

[JarvisFunk]

Eberle has negative value.

6 mil a year is an Albatros!

Edmonton will need to throw in their 1st rounders this year and make it a cap dump.


Lucic contract already hurting the Oil. 6 more yrs to go!!

Make up your mind, if Eberle and his contract is so bad, how is Lucic's contract hurting us? Isn't getting rid of Eberle a good thing?

Nice troll account.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I said Edmonton would have to retain $2-3M, and no contender is taking on that contract as it is.

Edmonton will not have to retain 2-3 million. That still makes Eberle roughly a 3 million dollar guy, and Eberle at 3 million dollars would have nearly every team in the league interested. You simply don't find 3 million dollar 50-65 point players, even ones that have weaknesses (which every player does, btw). This isn't 2006.

We are not trading that contract as is without expecting to take another player back. There are always teams looking to shake things up, add some offensive firepower, etc. The Oilers aren't going to be asking for a 50-65 point RW replacement back for Eberle, it will be a player who fits a hole on our roster (3C, depth RD, etc).

 

[joestevens29]

Seguin, Hall, Kessel, Wheeler

Kessel deal "worked out" only because the unexpectedly ended up with the pick to take Seguin.

Hes hands were tied with 2 of 4 of those. The Hall for Larsson trade sure seemed to work for him as did moving Yakupov. Not sure that the Wheeler one was bad at the time

 

[joestevens29]

What are Oiler's fans looking for/expecting, exactly?

The Hurricanes could 100% use a talented right winger, but Eberle is weak on the boards and somewhat overpaid, and it's a risk that his production rebounds for the reasons you said- but what do the Oilers want? Picks? Roster player?

As of today we are looking for a 2nd pairing d-man that can move the puck

Another RW that can put up 20ish goals

Potentially a 3C that can win draws

#7 d-man


However this all changes depending on what happens with deals. We keep all our centers then we don't need a center, but need depth on RW. If we keep RNH and move LD to RW then we need a 3C.

 

[Arkham32]

Would something around Cody Eakin for Jordan Eberle work?

Eakin struggled this year but he is a 3c, Stars need top 6 wingers seems like a win win for both

 

[VanJack]

Eberle would be a nice pick-up for somebody, if he was earning $3-$4m a season...but that contract....yikes!.....Oilers will likely have to accept a 'cap-dump' from another team to make anything happen.

 

[belair]

Would something around Cody Eakin for Jordan Eberle work?

Eakin struggled this year but he is a 3c, Stars need top 6 wingers seems like a win win for both

I'm amazed how little he produced considering how much he played. That is seriously impressive. There's no frigging way we're paying him that kind of money. I'd balk at Pouliot for him just because of the extra year.

Eberle would be a nice pick-up for somebody, if he was earning $3-$4m a season...but that contract....yikes!.....Oilers will likely have to accept a 'cap-dump' from another team to make anything happen.

As its been mentioned before in this thread. The Oilers would take a player or player(s) back to match the salary who could fill a roster need for a year.

 

[Arkham32]

I'm amazed how little he produced considering how much he played. That is seriously impressive. There's no frigging way we're paying him that kind of money. I'd balk at Pouliot for him just because of the extra year.

Poulot had 2 more points in 7 more games and is paid $150,000 more with 1 less year on his contract, is 5 years older and is a winger compared to eakin who is a center I have zero clue how anybody would balk at pouliout for him thats just a silly comment from a person who clearly doesn't know what hes talking about....

Eakin produced 35 40 35 points the 3 seasons previous and over 15 goals each year and is 25 he is a third line center in the NHL which a previous poster mentioned is one of the needs of the oilers. One bad year at his young age isn't going to change that he can easily bounce back

 

[belair]

Poulot had 2 more points in 7 more games and is paid $150,000 more with 1 less year on his contract, is 5 years older and is a winger compared to eakin who is a center I have zero clue how anybody would balk at pouliout for him thats just a silly comment from a person who clearly doesn't know what hes talking about....

Eakin produced 35 40 35 points the 3 seasons previous and over 15 goals each year and is 25 he is a third line center in the NHL which a previous poster mentioned is one of the needs of the oilers. One bad year at his young age isn't going to change that he can easily bounce back

Not a slight on either player. Both had awful seasons statistically.

Pouliot produced 36 34 36 points in the three seasons before...he's essentially a career 30 point player and is also on the Oilers' top PK unit. ~15 goal each of those years before, too. The extra year is the reason. The moment we get out from under that contract, the better. I'd have no interest paying Eakin that kind of money that long...the Oilers will be cash strapped by the time that third year kicks in. I'd trade Pouliot for nothing before I trade him for Eakin.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Poulot had 2 more points in 7 more games and is paid $150,000 more with 1 less year on his contract, is 5 years older and is a winger compared to eakin who is a center I have zero clue how anybody would balk at pouliout for him thats just a silly comment from a person who clearly doesn't know what hes talking about....

Eakin produced 35 40 35 points the 3 seasons previous and over 15 goals each year and is 25 he is a third line center in the NHL which a previous poster mentioned is one of the needs of the oilers. One bad year at his young age isn't going to change that he can easily bounce back

Pouliot actually had a good end to the season. Once he came back from his injury he was fine. Before the injury we were hoping he would get injured.

 

[Tripod]

The more I read your posts, the more apparent it is that you don't understand what's going on here. Eberle isn't being dumped because he is an awful player or isn't scoring. He is being moved because he doesn't fit here, and he is paid too much for the role he will have moving forward.

If Jordan Eberle was a UFA today, he would get at least 5 million on the open market.

He might get 5.

But that's the issue. He isn't a free UFA.

Instead, he's a 6 million dollar guy AND the Oilers expect possitive assets back. So the acquiring team is overpaying in cap hit AND gets to lose assets to overpay him. Not really a great combo.

But in the end, it will depend what the acquiring team gives up. If they lose someone they were looking to move anyways, it makes things easier to swallow.

 

[TheWolf*]

He might get 5.

But that's the issue. He isn't a free UFA.

Instead, he's a 6 million dollar guy AND the Oilers expect possitive assets back. So the acquiring team is overpaying in cap hit AND gets to lose assets to overpay him. Not really a great combo.

But in the end, it will depend what the acquiring team gives up. If they lose someone they were looking to move anyways, it makes things easier to swallow.

After the playoff he just had, coupled with the season he had, I can't see him getting 5. I can see maybe a one year "show me" type deal, but his stock is at an all time low. Same with La Nuge.

 

[MikeK]

After the playoff he just had, coupled with the season he had, I can't see him getting 5. I can see maybe a one year "show me" type deal, but his stock is at an all time low. Same with La Nuge.

They won't have a hard time moving Nuge at all. Many teams would line up for him. Eberle is a tough sell though.