Dreger: Eberle has probably played last game for Oilers

[denis]

$4.5+2.5=$7m-$6m=$1m

Dehaan is an RFA this summer. He needs to be re-signed and they have less than $3m of would room. That will probably increase after expansion but $1m is likely still valuable.

Grabovski can be moved to LTIR, which would free up an additional $5M

 

[Mainehockey33]

For over half of the playoffs, Eberle was on the 2nd line with Lucic and Nuge facing the top line of the opposing team. He actually had a good series against San Jose, just didn't put up any points. The Anaheim series was another story as he was completely overmatched by their style and size, and then he was shuffled around the lineup quite a bit as he wasn't really working anywhere. He never truly had the 3rd line Spooner spot.

But if you're a one dimensional player and that dimension is scoring, you better be doing more than looking good.

 

[joestevens29]

Except if you're EDM. Assuming that Kovalchuk can perform at the same level as Eberle is questionable at best; there's no guarantee that Kovalchuk scores 60 points next year. At least with Eberle one has NHL statistics to review over the past few seasons.

Meh, Kovalchuk had his best year since returning to the KHL. I'm not overly concerned about his production dropping all that much. Even if it ends up being less than Eberle, Kovalchuk actually brings value when he isn't scoring.

 

[McDraekke]

I was talking about the playoffs when Eberle was on the third line, facing the same quality of competition Spooner was.

And Pisani outscored all players in the 2006 playoffs, does that mean that every player who didn't score as much as he did is worth less? No. It also doesn't mean that he is as valuable as any player because of that. You can't take what a player does in one post-season and apply that to his value across the board, and assume values of other players based on a comparison between the two in that small sample size. You're trying to logic something that is illogical by arguing with flawed logic. It just doesn't work that way, and I think you know that. You're just trolling.

Based on this, every team should be falling all over each other trying to spend **** tons of money on Williams, because of his track record of playoff performance. It just doesn't work.

Edit: I'm not trying to defend Eberle - he had a ****** ****ing post-season. But your argument is so flawed it needs to be said.

 

[LaP]

And Pisani outscored all players in the 2006 playoffs,

There's a big difference between having 2 or 3 points less than one hit wonder 18 points in 24 playoffs games Fernando Pisani and finishing the playoffs with 2 points in 12 games.

 

[Mainehockey33]

And Pisani outscored all players in the 2006 playoffs, does that mean that every player who didn't score as much as he did is worth less? No. It also doesn't mean that he is as valuable as any player because of that. You can't take what a player does in one post-season and apply that to his value across the board, and assume values of other players based on a comparison between the two in that small sample size. You're trying to logic something that is illogical by arguing with flawed logic. It just doesn't work that way, and I think you know that. You're just trolling.

Based on this, every team should be falling all over each other trying to spend **** tons of money on Williams, because of his track record of playoff performance. It just doesn't work.

Edit: I'm not trying to defend Eberle - he had a ****** ****ing post-season. But your argument is so flawed it needs to be said.

$6M to score 50 points these last two seasons and disappear in the playoffs. Is that flawed logic?

 

[belair]

I was talking about the playoffs when Eberle was on the third line, facing the same quality of competition Spooner was.

Of course you were because it's the only sample size that fits the narrative. Fortunately NHL GMs aren't that simple minded.

Jordan Eberle, as history will support, is a highly productive scoring winger. Teams trading for him will see him as such. Teams that see him as an non-productive third line winger--being none-- will pay no mind.

 

[belair]

Grabovski can be moved to LTIR, which would free up an additional $5M

Yes you can but to my understanding he can't be placed on LTIR until the season starts. They still need to be under. Nevertheless, $1m is $1m. It helps cover costs like bonuses and such.

 

[North]

But if you're a one dimensional player and that dimension is scoring, you better be doing more than looking good.

Or maybe he's added another dimension.

That being said, if he had scored more this wouldn't be an issue.

 

[Mainehockey33]

Of course you were because it's the only sample size that fits the narrative. Fortunately NHL GMs aren't that simple minded.

Jordan Eberle, as history will support, is a highly productive scoring winger. Teams trading for him will see him as such. Teams that see him as an non-productive third line winger--being none-- will pay no mind.

Please, he averaged 49 points the last two seasons, not what I'd call highly productive. If it were five years ago then yeah, I'd call him highly productive.

 

[Mainehockey33]

Or maybe he's added another dimension.

That being said, if he had scored more this wouldn't be an issue.

What dimension would that be?

You're right, if he scored more this wouldn't be an issue, but he didn't and it is. What playoff contender would pay a guy $6M to be a top line forward when he averaged 49 points the last two seasons and laid an egg in the playoffs?

 

[belair]

Please, he averaged 49 points the last two seasons, not what I'd call highly productive. If it were five years ago then yeah, I'd call him highly productive.

A 50 point second line winger is what I'd call highly productive. Try looking at another resource other than HockeyDB. You're posting pretty prominently in this thread right now and you continue to show you don't know a heck a lot about the guy. Seriously, stop wasting your time. If it makes you feel any better I'm pretty certain your Bruins won't be involved.

 

[Mainehockey33]

A 50 point second line winger is what I'd call highly productive. Try looking at another resource other than HockeyDB. You're posting pretty prominently in this thread right now and you continue to show you don't know a heck a lot about the guy. Seriously, stop wasting your time. If it makes you feel any better I'm pretty certain your Bruins won't be involved.

I haven't misrepresented him in any way. He's paid to be a top line wing, not a 50 point second line wing. I don't understand why anyone is arguing with me. If he was playing like his contract suggests, Edmonton wouldn't be so eager to get rid of him.

 

[bossram]

Trading a scoring forward for pennies on the dollar, only to see him flourish elsewhere seems to be Chiarelli's M.O.

 

[belair]

I haven't misrepresented him in any way. He's paid to be a top line wing, not a 50 point second line wing. I don't understand why anyone is arguing with me. If he was playing like his contract suggests, Edmonton wouldn't be so eager to get rid of him.

He is being moved by Edmonton because the Oilers don't need him to be the player he's 'being paid to be'. Leon Draisaitl took his role. Yet he still put up 20-30-50 as a second line winger. One would assume with more ice time and greater opportunity, he would've produced more. The team trading for him will probably have the idea of giving him that opportunity. What's so difficult to understand about that.

You came into this argument focused solely on his performance in the playoffs and made a comparison to a role player who has never held a top six role in his NHL career. People called you out for it. You should be happy that there are posters on this forum who are willing to fill you in where you are wrong.

 

[ManofSteel55]

But if you're a one dimensional player and that dimension is scoring, you better be doing more than looking good.

The point is that he isn't exactly a one dimensional player anymore. At least not in the sense that he is a liability on the ice. He made huge strides with his all around game this year. The "all he does is score" narrative is old, tired, and not true.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Trading a scoring forward for pennies on the dollar, only to see him flourish elsewhere seems to be Chiarelli's M.O.

How so? Seguin to Dallas, yep, I agree there, but that's only one trade, not an M.O.

 

[Mainehockey33]

He is being moved by Edmonton because the Oilers don't need him to be the player he's 'being paid to be'. Leon Draisaitl took his role. Yet he still put up 20-30-50 as a second line winger. One would assume with more ice time and greater opportunity, he would've produced more. The team trading for him will probably have the idea of giving him that opportunity. What's so difficult to understand about that.

You came into this argument focused solely on his performance in the playoffs and made a comparison to a role player who has never held a top six role in his NHL career. People called you out for it. You should be happy that there are posters on this forum who are willing to fill you in where you are wrong.

By all means, fill me in!

I never said it's not possible he'll score more somewhere else, I just said it'll be to a perennial bottom feeder looking for some flash, exactly like Spooner. Now that Edmonton made the playoffs you should see contenders aren't looking for soft $6M forwards period unless they're elite offensively.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I haven't misrepresented him in any way. He's paid to be a top line wing, not a 50 point second line wing. I don't understand why anyone is arguing with me. If he was playing like his contract suggests, Edmonton wouldn't be so eager to get rid of him.

The more I read your posts, the more apparent it is that you don't understand what's going on here. Eberle isn't being dumped because he is an awful player or isn't scoring. He is being moved because he doesn't fit here, and he is paid too much for the role he will have moving forward.

If Jordan Eberle was a UFA today, he would get at least 5 million on the open market.

 

[ManofSteel55]

By all means, fill me in!

I never said it's not possible he'll score more somewhere else, I just said it'll be to a perennial bottom feeder looking for some flash, exactly like Spooner. Now that Edmonton made the playoffs you should see contenders aren't looking for soft $6M forwards period unless they're elite offensively.

Nobody is looking for "flash", there are a lot of teams that are looking for help putting the puck in the net though. And Jordan Eberle does that better than almost any other player available this summer.

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

 

[cobra427]

The more I read your posts, the more apparent it is that you don't understand what's going on here. Eberle isn't being dumped because he is an awful player or isn't scoring. He is being moved because he doesn't fit here, and he is paid too much for the role he will have moving forward.

If Jordan Eberle was a UFA today, he would get at least 5 million on the open market.

He is not a UFA, and is under an RFA contract. If he were an RFA today, he would get closer to 4 mill with the Oilers. The Oilers will have to retain, or take back a bad contract if they trade him, or prey Vegas takes him.

 

[bossram]

How so? Seguin to Dallas, yep, I agree there, but that's only one trade, not an M.O.

Seguin, Hall, Kessel, Wheeler

Kessel deal "worked out" only because the unexpectedly ended up with the pick to take Seguin.

 

[Stickpucker]

I think Carolina should do some due diligence here....we can't discount adding a 20 scorer at this point even if we prefer a C.

I don't think Eberle is a Peters type player and his salary is a bit high but 2 seasons isn't too long to see if there is a fit.

It looks like Edm doesn't currently have a backup...any interest in Lack or Ward? ....I realize their value is low.

We would be happy to send back picks...what would be Edms ask?

Ping

 

[McFlyingV]

He is not a UFA, and is under an RFA contract. If he were an RFA today, he would get closer to 4 mill with the Oilers. The Oilers will have to retain, or take back a bad contract if they trade him, or prey Vegas takes him.

His remaining 2 years are actually UFA years. He could not be an RFA today.