Mav3rick07
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Really ? Where did you hear this ?
Player Discussion Duncan Keith
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Really ? Where did you hear this ?
bobbythebrain
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He’s been good, hopefully is able to step it up come playoffs and impart his experience for great run.
HockeyGuy1964
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Was there some issue with this other Duncan Keith thread that we needed another?
Player Discussion - Duncan Keith
Player Discussion - Duncan Keith
bobbythebrain
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Yup. Said it all year. Keith has been good.
Gregor mentioned yesterday he's been our most consistent dman, and when the team was absolute junk for 20 games, he was our best dman by a good margin.
His #s have been on point for his role and SALARY.
Man it must sting like a mf for a few posters that he's doing so well.
Gregor mentioned yesterday he's been our most consistent dman, and when the team was absolute junk for 20 games, he was our best dman by a good margin.
His #s have been on point for his role and SALARY.
Man it must sting like a mf for a few posters that he's doing so well.
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AddyTheWrath
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Ceci has been our most consistent d-man. If anything, Keith has been inconsistent.
MessierII
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bobbythebrain
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Wrong. Gregor sited some stats and Mcurdy just wrote an article about him. Keith has been better, especially the last 20 games
He was brought in to be a solid #2 LD. Mission accomplished! Hopefully next year at this time Broberg has supplanted him and we are speculating on where we spend the cap savings
Stoneman89
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I'm not sure what the Blackhawks off ice issues have to do with his performance on the ice.
As for how he's performed overall, I would say B +, or , decent.
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AddyTheWrath
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Saying that he has been our most consistent d-man all season is just false. He has been very high event and up / down this season.
MessierII
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Just because it’s what you want to believe doesn’t make it true. He’s been distinctly our 2nd best D man.
Mr Positive
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We'll see how he does vs this tougher upcoming part of our schedule.
So far he has gotten better and better all year. Good to see
So far he has gotten better and better all year. Good to see
He is a good dman if he hangs back and lets his partner do his thing. FFS, he gets beaten like a rented mule. Am I lunatic for thinking this? He makes good quick passes everywhere though. He should not have got 2 years.
AddyTheWrath
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Show me the numbers that suggest that. Ceci has played 1046 minutes at even strength this year compared to Keith's 767, gets higher defensive zone starts, has a lower xGA/60 (2.24 vs 2.3 for Keith), and a lower HDCA/60 (10.06 vs 10.89 for Keith).
Even the article @bobbythebrain is referencing shows Keith as having an up and down Grade A shots +/- over stretches and shows Ceci as having the best Grade A shots +/- this year.
Was Duncan Keith worth the price that Ken Holland paid for him? Just maybe
Game Day 62: Oilers vs Devils Duncan Keith isn’t just playing strong hockey, he’s been crushing it for almost three months now, so much so that it’s fair to…
edmontonjournal.com
I just… I’m sorry, what? Someone is arguing Keith > Ceci in the current year? Did they ref today’s game or something?
MessierII
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5 on 5 we outscore the opposition 40-37 with Ceci on the ice. With Keith out there it’s 35-27. All his shot metrics are slightly better 5 on 5. His on ice rate metrics are stronger. He also hasn’t got to play with nurse while Ceci has spent a decent amount of time with him. Keith’s been dragging around either Barrie or Bouchard or an AHL guy when not playing with Ceci himself.Show me the numbers that suggest that. Ceci has played 1046 minutes at even strength this year compared to Keith's 767, gets higher defensive zone starts, has a lower xGA/60 (2.24 vs 2.3 for Keith), and a lower HDCA/60 (10.06 vs 10.89 for Keith).
Even the article @bobbythebrain is referencing shows Keith as having an up and down Grade A shots +/- over stretches and shows Ceci as having the best Grade A shots +/- this year.
Was Duncan Keith worth the price that Ken Holland paid for him? Just maybe
Game Day 62: Oilers vs Devils Duncan Keith isn’t just playing strong hockey, he’s been crushing it for almost three months now, so much so that it’s fair to…
Even if you want to say Ceci has been better it’s by the absolute slimmest of margins both players have been more or less similar in a similar role. Keith just has the better results.
MessierII
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Yes you are. He has the best goals against/60 at even strength of any d man on our team. If he was getting “beaten like a rented mule” regularly the it would end up in the back of the net way more.
GhostfaceWu
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Hes the one being dragged currently this last 4 game stretch. See if he can rectify his game but man is there a lot to be desired.
Keith is still a good D-man, but he does make the odd gaffe here and there. I'm hoping he still has that extra gear for the playoffs (he didn't have a great 2020 season, yet looked like dominant #1D against our team in the play-in series). If he can push himself to be a higher end 2nd pairing LD in the playoffs, he will be worth his weight in gold
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Was Duncan Keith worth the price that Ken Holland paid for him? Just maybe
Game Day 62: Oilers vs Devils Duncan Keith isn’t just playing strong hockey, he’s been crushing it for almost three months now, so much so that it’s fair to…
edmontonjournal.com
"Duncan Keith isn’t just playing strong hockey, he’s been crushing it for almost three months now..."
Edit: That looks pretty cool.
Yeah I get the issue with the deal at the time, but Keith has been great for us this season. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't he out for a large portion of the 2 wins in 15 games stretch? The issue with the defence right now is that Bouchard has taken a step back recently, but you have to keep playing him because he's the future. I know the team has given up a lot of goals, but the defence looks way better this year than last when healthy, mostly due to Ceci and Keith.
TKB21
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Yeah I’m just as confused as you, I could care less about the stupid fancy stats and let my eyeballs do the gauging. Keith is a tire fire at getting caught down low and giving up odd man rushes.
Keggatron
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Well yeah, when you remove two young d men who probably shouldn't have been consistent NHLers and replace them with a solid veteran and a future HOFer that shouldn't really surprise anyone. I mean I guess you could argue we lost Larsson, but he was piss poor a lot of his time here as well. Our D did get better, but like I'm sorry, I've watched most of the games this season and Keith has been unnoticeable at best and awful on a lot of nights. I don't really remember ever thinking Keith is having a solid game and have thought that about Ceci multiple times this season. For me he's so overpaid for what he provides and no amount of propaganda is going to convince me otherwise. Holland should have been fired for that deal.
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