Confirmed with Link: Duclair/Clendening to Chicago for Panik/Dauphin

[Jamieh]

Most times exceptional players don't have an attitude or work ethic problem, but I guess they are given some slack when they have an off game or two.

I think of guys like Kessel, don't train hard, doesn't practise hard, has been known to float, but scores 30 pretty much every year. Coaches tend to give him the benefit of the doubt even though he drives them nuts!!

 

[cobra427]

So here we are 14 games since the trade.

Duclair in CHI - 2g 3a 19shots 14 hits

Panik in AZ - 0g, 4a 28shots 24 hits

So much for the "he is going to totally breakout in CHI and we were dumb to trade him." talk Duclair is actually performing worse on a per game basis than he did here.

15pts in 33 games in AZ. 5pts in 14 games in CHI

And Duke had some first line and PP minutes too with a better team. Panik hasn't been a world beater, obviously healthy scratched too but he is the better all around player.

 

[cobra427]

Yup. Del and XX will be chirping how bad this organization is, never giving Duclair a chance.

Yep, Duke/Gormley/Runblad, all the coyotes fault

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Duclair is very meh

I am happy to be rid of Panik and his contract at end of day but don't see anything about Duclair that would warrant a pay raise on next contract

At this point if he asks for anything like 2M per then Hawks should walk away

 

[ParisSaintGermain]

Panik won't last long here if he does not play any better. Really got to pick things up.

 

[RABBIT]

Duclair is very meh

I am happy to be rid of Panik and his contract at end of day but don't see anything about Duclair that would warrant a pay raise on next contract

At this point if he asks for anything like 2M per then Hawks should walk away

he'll have a breakout game where you'll think he deserves that kind of money for a second, then kind of go back to being meh again. I hope he figures it out, seems like a good kid.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

He had a few good games to start for Hawks and then has faded

He is very fast and flies into the offensive zone only to circle about like he has no clue what he is supposed to do. And his play away from puck is hit or miss

Sometimes he looks engaged and other times he just floats out there

 

[RABBIT]

He had a few good games to start for Hawks and then has faded

He is very fast and flies into the offensive zone only to circle about like he has no clue what he is supposed to do. And his play away from puck is hit or miss

Sometimes he looks engaged and other times he just floats out there

Kind of similar to what he did here. Bummer, i still have some hope for him, maybe he'll turn it around.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

He had a few good games to start for Hawks and then has faded

He is very fast and flies into the offensive zone only to circle about like he has no clue what he is supposed to do. And his play away from puck is hit or miss

Sometimes he looks engaged and other times he just floats out there

That's exactly what he did here, and from what I understand it's what he did in New York.

He'll fool you, though, every couple of games. He'll go out and be entertainingly engaged, finishing checks, showing blazing speed, scoring mesmerizing goals. But it's almost as if you can see a switch flip off, like an amnesiac who suddenly remembers his name, and he'll just... disappear. So aggravating.

 

[johnchayka89]

Chicago has decided not to resign Duclair.
This trade looks even better now.

 

[RABBIT]

Chicago has decided not to resign Duclair.
This trade looks even better now.

yes you did well John now go get us ROR. We'll settle for JVR or Perron if we have to

 

[johnchayka89]

yes you did well John now go get us ROR. We'll settle for JVR or Perron if we have to

Kings decided not to resign Rieder as well.

Maybe the double Ds will reunite in Montreal? Who knows...

Yes, we have more work to do.

 

[moosemeister]

Lmao the user name.

 

[Mosby]

Hawks didn't qualify Clendening either.

 

[BOGO]

It's a win-win for the Hawks. They had a low risk high reward player in Duke, which they did not get a return on. They unloaded Panik's salary though which is not insignificant in their situation.

One of those rare win-win trades if you ask me, but it was a potato salad deal with a bunch of things and factors mixed in.

 

[BAdvocate]

So many vocal critics of this trade....hard to admit you were wrong when your mouth is full of crow I guess....

 

[Grimes]

So many vocal critics of this trade....hard to admit you were wrong when your mouth is full of crow I guess....

No problem admitting I was wrong, in fact I'm ecstatic I was wrong! But boy at the time it seemed bad. Giving up on a kid that was a key piece of the Yandle trade. A kid who had a great relationship and on ice chemistry with fan favorite Domi. Someone who seemingly never really got a shot after an explosive rookie season. Moving him for Richard Panik was very underwhelming to say the least. If you saw how all of this would play out, will you please let me know where to invest my money, because you clearly can see into the future.

Also, what was the point of your post?

 

[The Feckless Puck]

If you saw how all of this would play out, will you please let me know where to invest my money, because you clearly can see into the future.

My prognosticating abilities only extend to hockey forums, not to the financial markets...

I figured Duke would crater in Chicago but I was totally blindsided by them not bothering to qualify him. I think he's still got enough raw talent for some other NHL team to take a flyer on him this coming season, though.

 

[Name Nameless]

Panik has been great. Team improved with him.

About Duke: must say Chicago-fans points out he has arb-rights. Meaning, if they gave him a QO, and he dragged them to arbitration- and that would be a good guess- they would be stuck with him up to 4 mill.

Which they couldn't afford, cap-wise, but cap space is not an argument in arbitration!

So the fact they didn't qualify him might not mean totally as much as it seems.

 

[XX]

I figured Duke would crater in Chicago but I was totally blindsided by them not bothering to qualify him. I think he's still got enough raw talent for some other NHL team to take a flyer on him this coming season, though.

Marchand injured him not long after the trade, he didn't really have a chance to show much. I still believe he can be a scoring winger in the league under the right coach with decent linemates. Someone will take a flyer on him.

 

[rt]

Very fun to read through this thread. What a roller coaster this team and this player have been on.

 

[XX]

GAR:
Zucker +6.4
Duclair +2.7
Kessel -7.4

G/60 (400min) NHL Rank:
Duclair - #1 (yes, abvove Marchand, Vrana, Burakovsky)
Zucker - #67
Kessel - #231 (only 6 players are worse)

P/60 (400min) NHL Rank:
Duclair - #26
Zucker - #73
Kessel - #222

Bonus: Stepan 2nd worst in the league at #236, only ahead of Lucic

These are just numbers. Any narrative and associated feelings you draw from them are your own.

 

[cobra427]

GAR:
Zucker +6.4
Duclair +2.7
Kessel -7.4

G/60 (400min) NHL Rank:
Duclair - #1 (yes, abvove Marchand, Vrana, Burakovsky)
Zucker - #67
Kessel - #231 (only 6 players are worse)

P/60 (400min) NHL Rank:
Duclair - #26
Zucker - #73
Kessel - #222

Bonus: Stepan 2nd worst in the league at #236, only ahead of Lucic

These are just numbers. Any narrative and associated feelings you draw from them are your own.

Great example of why not to rely on fancy stats to draw conclusions on individual players.

 

[hbk]

Very fun to read through this thread. What a roller coaster this team and this player have been on.

I think we’d all be more upset on missing out n Duclair had 2 other organizations not run away from him as quickly as possible and Torts hadn’t gone on his famous public rant about Duclair’s play. If Duclair was playing this year in the KHL instead of the NHL I for one wouldn’t have been surprised. I hope he lands a big $ long term contract with an organization that I don’t like.

 

[Jakey53]

GAR:
Zucker +6.4
Duclair +2.7
Kessel -7.4

G/60 (400min) NHL Rank:
Duclair - #1 (yes, abvove Marchand, Vrana, Burakovsky)
Zucker - #67
Kessel - #231 (only 6 players are worse)

P/60 (400min) NHL Rank:
Duclair - #26
Zucker - #73
Kessel - #222

Bonus: Stepan 2nd worst in the league at #236, only ahead of Lucic

These are just numbers. Any narrative and associated feelings you draw from them are your own.

You are comparing theses players playing 400 min. this year. Players have good and bad years, so what happens if you compare last year to this year with these same players?