Proposal: Duchene to Pittsburgh

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  1. Shaffer

    Shaffer GuentzGoal

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    Duchene at 5m (1m retained) for Maatta+Jarry+Bluegar+2018 1st+ 2019 3rd.

    Why it makes sense:

    Pittsburgh: Needs a 3rd line center and GMJR has said that the team could've had their 3rd line center but he is waiting for a more impact player. Maatta can be replaced in the top 4 by Ian Cole and the pens can find a top4 or top6 dman at the trade deadline

    Guentzel-Crosby-Hornqvist
    Hagelin-Malkin-Rust
    Sheary-Duchene-Kessel
    Wilson-Rowney-Reaves
    Dumolin-Letang
    Cole-Schultz
    Hunwick-Ruhwedal/Pouliot/deadline pickup

    Colorado: Maatta is a top4 LHD, which is what the Avs need and can help in the long term because he is signed 5 more years and is only 22. Bluegar is a B- prospect who can play center or wing. His highest potential is an above average 3rd line center. Jarry is a B+ goalie prospect and since the Avs just lost Pickard they should try and get a young potential goalie. Also a late first and 3rd.

    Andrighetto- Mckinnon-Rantanen
    Landeskog-Jost-Comeau
    Wilson-Compher- Yakupov
    Nieto-Soderberg-???
    Zadorov-Jonhson
    Maatta- Barrie
    Barberio-Mironov
     
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    Empoleon8771 It's Sprong's Fault

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    What a creative and unique topic that deserved its own thread. Especially considering the dozen Duchene to Pittsburgh threads that have already been made, plus the fact that there's an "all encompassing Duchene megathread" on the front page that was posted in like 20 minutes ago.
     
  3. Number1RedWingsFan52

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    Might as well lock this one up, We already have tons of Duchene threads here.
     
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    Duchene to Pittsburgh will never happen. Columbus easily tops that offer to keep him away from the Penguins.
     
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    1. There' should a mega thread for this

    2. This trade has been discussed many times before and it's been accepted by all, far and wide, that Pens don't have the pieces and that the Avs can do better with all of the other rumored clubs.
     
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    If you want one of our centers, take Soderberg. You don't have the pieces to land Duchene, but Soderberg can be had for relatively little given that he can be a 40-50 point center if used properly.
     
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    How bout duchene for kessel+
     
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    I wouldn't mind trading Kessel for assets then trading those for Duchene.

    That's the only way MD ends up in Pitt.

    Avs have no need for Kessel
     
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    Most teams dont have a legitimate 2C and Pittsburgh is worrying about their 3C. May Jeebus have mercy on them.

    Soderberg is the real 3C the Pens should be targeting. Throw us Hagelin and a 4th and well call it even.
     
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    Most teams aren't gunning for 3 Cups in a row. And another the year after that. And so on.

    The two most successful teams post-lockout had overwhelming quality depth at forward. Chicago with Toews, Kane, Sharp, Hossa, Saad. Pens with Sid, Malkin, Kessel, Sheary, Guentzel.

    They just lost two of their centers and will need more than a run of the mill 3C to replace what we lost. JR should be as greedy as possible and wait things out. Despite what some say, Pens have pieces that could get them a quality center. Plenty of young forward talent in particular.
     
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    Dude, we've been told a million times that Maatta isn't good enough to be the main piece in a Duchene deal.

    Personally I don't agree, and feel that when Duchene is eventually traded, someone similar to Maatta will be the main piece in the deal... (assuming they can even get a piece that good) but what I think doesn't mean much, and about all we can do is wait it out and see what happens.
     
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    Sodo at 40-50% retention (2.85m/2.375m) would be a great fit. And would be a hell of a lot cheaper then Duchene - both in cap and in cost to acquire.
     
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    Pittsburgh literally has nothing realistic to offer. Also not including Sprong is a joke. Bad offer anyway, any team can beat this. Doubt Maata becomes more than a 4D. He is not good anymore
     
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    Sakic made a horrible trade on Orielly. So Sakic is taking his time with Duchene.
     
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    Damn - you learn something new every single day around here. A little confused as to how you came to this conclusion seeing how the season (well for most teams anyway) ended almost 5 months ago, and that even with Pittsburgh once again playing until mid June and winning their last game, that he somehow became "not good" over the summer. :laugh:
     
  16. Pierce Hawthorne

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    Maybe to the ill informed or the people not paying attention to the Avs(So basically 99.9% of folks outside of Avs fans).


    But you find many Avs fans who aren't still happy with that trade. We've got 2-3 very solid young pieces from that deal who look to have bright futures.


    At the very least it is far to early to declare that trade a horrible one for Sakic and the Avs. Only 1 piece is in the NHL yet and he just had a great 2nd half of the season and looks poised to take a big step forward next year.


    Two of the other pieces are on the verge of being NHL ready. This next season will be a much bigger indication of how that trade will shape up for the Avs. The potential for it to be a lopsided victory very much exists.
     
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    Dont worry, it didn't happen over the summer :laugh: That hockey Maata tried to play in June is a pretty strong indicator of that.

    Maata is not a good Dman, nowhere close to the type of Dman we'll be getting back in return for Duchene.



    Pittsburgh does not have the expendable pieces to get Duchene. Plain and simple. They'll easily be beat by a team like Columbus or Nashville.
     
  18. PensandCaps

    PensandCaps Berrick Drassard.

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    Im not gonna take your opinion of Maatta seriously when you can't even spell his name right. Maatta is easily a good top 4 Dman, im pretty sure pens fans who watch him every game know way more than you about Maatta.
     
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    Empoleon8771 It's Sprong's Fault

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    Yeah, he's so bad that he was playing in a top-4 role on a back to back cup winner.

    Saying Maatta isn't good is just stupid and wrong, that's what it comes down to.

    Also this.
     
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    It doesn't.

    Of all the teams in the NHL, PITT probably has the worst kind of ammo to get a deal like this done.
     
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    Clearly... I mean those results... absolutely terrible hockey. I wonder why we even keep him around? :sarcasm:

    You'll be getting back someone very similar to him - assuming you can even get someone like that. Just watch. If someone was going to pony up something better then that, it would have already happened. There's very few teams in the league that are going to give up <23 top 4 blueliners. And the ones that might, certainly are not going to be giving up guys with top pairing potential - unless you're talking about someone who's value is based almost solely on that potential.

    I agree completely that Pittsburgh shouldn't be giving up the pieces it will likely take to get Duchene. Pittsburgh has won with depth the last 2 years. Skilled scoring depth up front, and depth on the blueline. Trading the pieces it would take for Duchene hurts that depth more than it aids it.
     
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    If COL retains or if PITT sends back some kind of cap dump, this actually might not be a bad idea. I could see Soda having a bounce back year there.
     
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    I'd be down if there was close to 50% retention if the trade price was cheap enough. I think Pouliot and a 2nd or 3rd was pretty much agreed on for Soderberg (35-50% retained)

    We don't have any cap dump contracts left on our roster at the moment.
     
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    Sakic wouldn't be making a good trade using Maatta as the centerpiece for Duchene. Pittsburgh really doesn't have the assets to get a deal like this done. They don't have a young #1D to use. Maatta isn't bad, but he's not good. Doumlin would be better to use. His play is better than that of Maattas.

    Kessel would be the better suitor although Pittsburgh isn't likely to ship him. Only reason I say this is because of salary restraints. Plus Kessel doesn't fit what Sakic wants.

    Maybe along the lines of

    Sheary/Guentzel + Doumlin + ?

    Duchene

    Sakic doesn't like the one year wonder type players. He had an interview with TSN (would've posted it if I could've found it again) and said that a player had to play well for 2 years for him to have his undoubted trust. Guentzel may not fit that picture. Sheary may be the better bet.
     
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    If JR wasn't willing too offer Bonino $4 million or so for a #3C, Then why would he trade for Duchene making $6 million for two more years as a #3C that's too much money.
     

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