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[Oiltankjob Fail]

haha, yeah... koto's post is more than a little ridiculous

people have a very strange opinion on eberle though for some reason... haven't figured out why yet, but they do... he's not in "gagner territory" yet for these people, but that moment doesn't seem to be too far away

in his "down year" last year, he was still 41st in the entire league in scoring, so in other words a legit 1st line player... some people man, some people

He has been no lower than 41 since he has started his career , including his injured rookie season . Eberle will be 70 point player again this season .

 

[Gret99zky]

good, good.

feel the hate flowing through you.

 

[4EDM14OIL93]

no. Hall is by fair, then RNH.

whether you Eberle fanboys want to admit it or not, the fact is he is a smallish, non physical, dangling winger. IMO, this player-type comes in right before the defensive 3rd line checkers in the 'need to have' catagory. 1, 2 and 3 Cs , 1,2,3,4 Ds, power forwards, phyiscal forwards that provide some offense, and of course goalies, are all more important.

Eberle is very skilled. we just need 4 other player-types more (a G, a good D, a power forward, a physical forward with some O, tho JJ may be that)

Wow... This is just so wrong it's not even funny. Eberle's value is far superior to at least half of the things you mentioned.

 

[nexttothemoon]

I'm certainly in the minority but I consider Eberle to be the #1 all-around Oiler player.

The real strength of this team.. and probably the ONLY strength at this stage is that core group of young assets revolving around Hall/Eberle/RNH/Yak/Schultz (and now Perron as well imo). Some would also include Gagner in there as well and depending on how he's playing I would as well.

Personally I don't think breaking up that core group is a good idea... they are the future of this team for better or worse and reactionary trades dealing away some of those parts won't make this team better... it just deals away potentially elite players that this team sucked for years to obtain.

I put up a proposal for a trade of something like Yak for Lundqvist which I think most would agree would be a fair trade... but really that's a VERY elite goalie and is basically like getting the goalie equivalent of a Shea Weber on D or a Malkin at C. You'd have to consider a trade like that for one of the young studs... but of course none of those trades are remotely likely either.

I think all the current talk around the fanbase about blowing things up at least somewhat is based on the frustrations of 7+ years of no playoffs and what looks like yet another year in that direction.

Most expected this year to be an improvement... and even most of us that were "realistically pessimistic" (like me) didn't expect this team to **** itself completely and be headed towards another last place finish in the West. If it weren't for a bunch of crappy starts by several Eastern teams... the Oilers would look like a lock for last overall in the NHL again as well.

I think MacT will likely make a move with the goaltending because it just looks too horribad to not do "something" at this stage.... but I'm hoping it isn't a kneejerk reaction that means parting with one of the core pieces. I could certainly see a package deal with a decent prospect and maybe a player like Smid being dealt away though for help in net.

Something definitely has to be done to stop the bleeding before the year is all but lost 10-20-30 games into the season.

 

[Up the Irons]

Wow... This is just so wrong it's not even funny. Eberle's value is far superior to at least half of the things you mentioned.

nope.

 

[Up the Irons]

WTF? Third line centres and second-pairing defenceman are more valuable than Jordan Eberle? You would rather have Colin Greening? Matt Stajan? Jared Spurgeon? Instead of a 23 year old who led the team in scoring in his first two NHL seasons? And, as shown in an above post, has outscored the likes of Daniel Sedin, Marian Gaborik, and Zach Parise in his first three?

those are garbage examples. i would rather have Bolland, Clarkson, Jarrod Stall. Bieska, John Boychuk, Wayne Simmonds, Chris Neil. you guys are just typical fans fooled by danglers, the single most overrated skill in the sport of hockey.

 

[Oiltankjob Fail]

those are garbage examples. i would rather have Bolland, Clarkson, Jarrod Stall. Bieska. you guys are just typical fans fooled by danglers, the single most overrated skill in the sport of hockey.

When posters butcher names ,it really leaves the impression you don't really follow the league that well jmo.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

those are garbage examples. i would rather have Bolland, Clarkson, Jarrod Stall. Bieska. you guys are just typical fans fooled by danglers, the single most overrated skill in the sport of hockey.

Also who the hell is Jarrod Stall?

 

[Hockey Buddha]

those are garbage examples. i would rather have Bolland, Clarkson, Jarrod Stall. Bieska. you guys are just typical fans fooled by danglers, the single most overrated skill in the sport of hockey.

The Oilers need more of those types of players for sure, but they are far easier to acquire than guys like Eberle. Bolland went to Toronto for a second and two fourth rounders. We've got skill players in abundance but not enough of the types of players that you mention. You can deal lower end skill players for those types of players imo, not someone of Eberle's calibre.

 

[Suxnet]

those are garbage examples. i would rather have Bolland, Clarkson, Jarrod Stall. Bieska. you guys are just typical fans fooled by danglers, the single most overrated skill in the sport of hockey.

Don is that you? We all know you love them good Canadian boys but at least spell their names right.

 

[The Nuge]

those are garbage examples. i would rather have Bolland, Clarkson, Jarrod Stall. Bieska. you guys are just typical fans fooled by danglers, the single most overrated skill in the sport of hockey.

Jared Staal? The guy who has less points in his entire pro career, in 3 different leagues, than Eberle had last season...

 

[Up the Irons]

you guys are falling victim to Tamboistis. maybe you think our player X is better than that player Y. fine. but we have a ridiculous abundance of on particular type of player and are in need of other types of players, of equal in IMO more importance.

you may think that Eberle is better than John Boychuk and he might be, but we need a John Boychuk SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much more than we need Eberle.

you're never going to convince me that we should have 3 or 4 danglers and no nasty power players.

 

[Up the Irons]

Also who the hell is Jarrod Stall?

oh yeah pick the best example in the world. Datsyuk is a number 1 centre, btw.

 

[Up the Irons]

Jared Staal? The guy who has less points in his entire pro career, in 3 different leagues, than Eberle had last season...

points, yes. that doesn't make him a better player or more needed on this team.


look guys, forget it. you like danglers, I don't. we have too many of them and not enough of everything else. you're never changing my mind.

 

[The Bored Man]

those are garbage examples. i would rather have Bolland, Clarkson, Jarrod Stall. Bieska, John Boychuk, Wayne Simmonds, Chris Neil. you guys are just typical fans fooled by danglers, the single most overrated skill in the sport of hockey.

My examples perfectly describe the types of players you mentioned. Greening isn't a physical forward? Stajan isn't a third line centre? Spurgeon isn't a second pairing defenceman? And the ones you gave aren't any better for your argument.

I mean, Chris Neil over Jordan Eberle?

That's great, man.

points, yes. that doesn't make him a better player or more needed on this team.


look guys, forget it. you like danglers, I don't. we have too many of them and not enough of everything else. you're never changing my mind.

I don't want to change your mind. These posts are perfect for lightening the mood around here.

Chris Neil over Jordan Eberle.

 

[The Nuge]

points, yes. that doesn't make him a better player or more needed on this team.


look guys, forget it. you like danglers, I don't. we have too many of them and not enough of everything else. you're never changing my mind.

Yes. Yes it does. Jared Staal is a useless plug

 

[Horseradish]

points, yes. that doesn't make him a better player or more needed on this team.


look guys, forget it. you like danglers, I don't. we have too many of them and not enough of everything else. you're never changing my mind.

"Danglers"...do you mean good puck handlers? As in the guys who ensure the puck isn't always in your zone because they've got the skill to bring it up the ice, get it Into the opposition's zone, and then retain possession so as to generate scoring chances?

Because no, you don't win games with body checkers. If a good player, yknow, a dangler, can also hit, that's fantastic. Yeah, it's a pain in the ass for the other team when they're getting rocked at every turn.

Yknow who the better defensive player is between a "defensive specialist" who pots 20 points per year vs an offensive player who scores 70 and is a mediocre defender?

The latter. Why? Because that guy getting 70 points isn't *just* scoring. He's also taking the puck out of his end, getting it into the offensive zone, and generating chances. Thus, it doesn't matter as much if he's not a great defender cuz he's hardly in his own zone. A useless offensive player will almost always be in his own zone cuz he can't retain possession. If he can't retain possession, it's a fairly binary distinction in that the other team will then have possession and constant zone pressure. So even if he prevents a few goals, the play will still be in his zone more than in the other, so chances are the other team will still out-score him.

You want more Mike Browns it sounds like (maybe with a bit more talent but still). Yeah, I'll take Eberle and players of his ilk every time, thanks.

 

[McDNicks17]

Brent Gretzky > Eberle.

 

[Replacement*]

I wonder how he got that high to drop wonder if he will drop below Getzlaf Perry Sedin Parise and the rest because you know he is a lot younger than them so of course he is going to recede while they improveAnd how much higher would he be if he did not play with broken thumb for a good chunk of a year? And he is producing right now at his career level.

I'll remind people that Hemsky used to a ppg player in this NHL and with a lot of similar feelings expressed about the players stellar upcoming career at that time.

But of course not everything is linear progress. I don't see Eberle as being a player that drives his stats. I see him doing well when he's playing with some great players. I think he's had some very good assignments here in which to pad his pts.

I don't see an allround player, I don't see an allround game. I do think we've already seen his peak production, particularly in goals scored.

Eberles specific problems in the NHL is he's smaller, less physical, getting shy of around the net play, and getting easily bounced around. I don't see a strong small player or somebody thats focused a lot on working on that aspect. I see contentment for what he is. But with that will come decline in efficacy.

 

[Replacement*]

"Danglers"...do you mean good puck handlers? As in the guys who ensure the puck isn't always in your zone because they've got the skill to bring it up the ice, get it Into the opposition's zone, and then retain possession so as to generate scoring chances?

Because no, you don't win games with body checkers. If a good player, yknow, a dangler, can also hit, that's fantastic. Yeah, it's a pain in the ass for the other team when they're getting rocked at every turn.

Yknow who the better defensive player is between a "defensive specialist" who pots 20 points per year vs an offensive player who scores 70 and is a mediocre defender?

The latter. Why? Because that guy getting 70 points isn't *just* scoring. He's also taking the puck out of his end, getting it into the offensive zone, and generating chances. Thus, it doesn't matter as much if he's not a great defender cuz he's hardly in his own zone. A useless offensive player will almost always be in his own zone cuz he can't retain possession. If he can't retain possession, it's a fairly binary distinction in that the other team will then have possession and constant zone pressure. So even if he prevents a few goals, the play will still be in his zone more than in the other, so chances are the other team will still out-score him.

You want more Mike Browns it sounds like (maybe with a bit more talent but still). Yeah, I'll take Eberle and players of his ilk every time, thanks.

Eberle is often enough invisible in games in which the Oilers face strong system opposition and in which they need more puck possession. He doesn't tend to be the player that stems that tide.

 

[Oiltankjob Fail]

I'll remind people that Hemsky used to a ppg player in this NHL and with a lot of similar feelings expressed about the players stellar upcoming career at that time.

But of course not everything is linear progress. I don't see Eberle as being a player that drives his stats. I see him doing well when he's playing with some great players. I think he's had some very good assignments here in which to pad his pts.

I don't see an allround player, I don't see an allround game. I do think we've already seen his peak production, particularly in goals scored.

Eberles specific problems in the NHL is he's smaller, less physical, getting shy of around the net play, and getting easily bounced around. I don't see a strong small player or somebody thats focused a lot on working on that aspect. I see contentment for what he is. But with that will come decline in efficacy.

So you're saying Arcobello and Smyth are great players ok then.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

When someone makes a Neil> Eberle comment, you instantly lose any credibility you had.

 

[Replacement*]

So you're saying Arcobello and Smyth are great players ok then.

Do you want to have a discussion or pick out strawmen?


Arco would have 40 NHL pts a year minimum playing with the likes of Hall and RNH all year every year. Arco is a fairly ordinary player.

Clearly Eberle is much more talented than Arco but one has to note how much elevation occurs due to playing with two number one in the world players.

Is this an unreasonable point to make?

How much inflation occurs in Eberles production. We really don't know, any of us.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

points, yes. that doesn't make him a better player or more needed on this team.


look guys, forget it. you like danglers, I don't. we have too many of them and not enough of everything else. you're never changing my mind.

You have no idea who the hell Jared Staal is.

 

[RipsADrive]

I hate that EA's NHL games has made "dangler" a term.

Is that all Eberle is now? No nod to his amazing passing and one shot scoring potential?

He can do more than just stick handle.