Value of: Drew Doughty with 3 mil retained!

[DingDongCharlie]

It's 3yrs and a bit at 8M based on thread title.

Doesn't work for Oilers since we need all the cap space to extend Drai and McD in a couple yrs but he would be an ideal upgrade over Ceci.

And the whole LA being in the same division thing.

If LA was willing to retain I'd say pay more and get him retained to 5.5m I know this would never happen but you find a way to work it for this year and basically graduate Broberg for next season and use what would have been Kulak & Ceci cap hits for Doughty and Broberg it's basically a cap wash next season.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Huberdeau's cap hit is 10.5 million. Just sayin'

I really want to see Huberdeau and Gaudreau on the same team. Could you pay Columbus enough to take Dubois back?

Huberdeau - Dubois - Gaudreau

I mean, honestly who doesn't want to see this?

 

[Chet Manley]

Why would the Kings do this?

 

[lipstickjunkie]

Tavares also makes 11 mil

 

[bernmeister]

assuming everybody waives

Zib + bread
for
PLD + DD +Byfield [non neg.]

 

[FSL KINGS]

assuming everybody waives

Zib + bread + Laf
for
PLD + DD +Byfield [non neg.]

FIFY

 

[PROUD PAPA]

Add some picks & prospects to make the value work.

Leafs are far more than a Doughty from being a legit contender. Smart move for them is do nothing and let this mess of a season play out.

 

[bernmeister]

FIFY

no
pld + dd are worse contracts, players
no

 

[Chainshot]

He only has a 7-team trade list so it would have to be a place he wants to go. But at $3M retained, that's a lot of experience for a team looking for a RD.

 

[CanadienShark]

assuming everybody waives

Zib + bread
for
PLD + DD +Byfield [non neg.]

Ugh dude...

 

[FSL KINGS]

no
pld + dd are worse contracts, players
no

Bread was a complete non factor in last year's playoffs & has only been a plus player in the playoffs 1 year of his career.

Zib is 30 & showing signs of slowing down & has 7 years left.

 

[bernmeister]

Bread was a complete non factor in last year's playoffs & has only been a plus player in the playoffs 1 year of his career.

Zib is 30 & showing signs of slowing down & has 7 years left.

happy to rework it so it is mo fav to Rs, but
let's get real

bread right now >> than DD,
Panarin is only 642,857 more per but
is ONE WHOLE SEASON LESS term than DD
Also CF lists DD age a 34, AP at 32
that is a 2 yr dif which is no big whoop UNLESS
unless you are concerned about how fast the wheels fall off

and also, that is mo critical for a backliner who MUST skate better including backward in order to defend

-------------------

Zib v PLD
there is a whole thread about how LA is begging for a solution to be rid of him

PLD = term thru 30-31 !!!!!!!!!!!! just signed
Zib is thru 29-30, a whole yr less
$$ is same

PLD may/may not have more upside
Zib is clearly better player now

only getting Byfield + pick ++
makes this something NY even considers

Ugh dude...

ugh yourself

why should Rs take on lesser assets w/o being paid to do so?

take a look in the mirror man

 

[BaileyFan]

Why would the Kings do this?

They’re first round fodder at best this season and they will only get worse from here with almost every important player on the team in or already past their prime. They also have a glut of RD that forces them to scratch Spence or Clarke every game. It’s moot because they won’t do it but the Kings need a rebuild and selling Doughty for futures would be a great start.

 

[FSL KINGS]

happy to rework it so it is mo fav to Rs, but
let's get real

bread right now >> than DD,
Panarin is only 642,857 more per but
is ONE WHOLE SEASON LESS term than DD
Also CF lists DD age a 34, AP at 32
that is a 2 yr dif which is no big whoop UNLESS
unless you are concerned about how fast the wheels fall off

and also, that is mo critical for a backliner who MUST skate better including backward in order to defend

-------------------

Zib v PLD
there is a whole thread about how LA is begging for a solution to be rid of him

PLD = term thru 30-31 !!!!!!!!!!!! just signed
Zib is thru 29-30, a whole yr less
$$ is same

PLD may/may not have more upside
Zib is clearly better player now

only getting Byfield + pick ++
makes this something NY even considers


ugh yourself

why should Rs take on lesser assets w/o being paid to do so?

take a look in the mirror man

Doughty is much more effective in the Playoffs than Pan. This makes him much more valuable to a team trying to win playoff games.

Zib has a thread dedicated to his slowdown. It's just the NYR roster thread in the NYR section. Zib gets maybe half that contract before he's in serious decline.

Doughty more likely to be effective longer due to position & play style. PL is much younger making it more likely to get to the end of his contract before serious decline.

Either way, if there is a gap, it isn't large enough to add Byfield. Looking at a depth pick.

 

[CanadienShark]

happy to rework it so it is mo fav to Rs, but
let's get real

bread right now >> than DD,
Panarin is only 642,857 more per but
is ONE WHOLE SEASON LESS term than DD
Also CF lists DD age a 34, AP at 32
that is a 2 yr dif which is no big whoop UNLESS
unless you are concerned about how fast the wheels fall off

and also, that is mo critical for a backliner who MUST skate better including backward in order to defend

-------------------

Zib v PLD
there is a whole thread about how LA is begging for a solution to be rid of him

PLD = term thru 30-31 !!!!!!!!!!!! just signed
Zib is thru 29-30, a whole yr less
$$ is same

PLD may/may not have more upside
Zib is clearly better player now

only getting Byfield + pick ++
makes this something NY even considers


ugh yourself

why should Rs take on lesser assets w/o being paid to do so?

take a look in the mirror man

You're the one proposing the deal. What would looking in the mirror do? I'm a fan of neither team.

 

[bernmeister]

Doughty is much more effective in the Playoffs than Pan. This makes him much more valuable to a team trying to win playoff games.

Zib has a thread dedicated to his slowdown. It's just the NYR roster thread in the NYR section. Zib gets maybe half that contract before he's in serious decline.

Doughty more likely to be effective longer due to position & play style. PL is much younger making it more likely to get to the end of his contract before serious decline.

Either way, if there is a gap, it isn't large enough to add Byfield. Looking at a depth pick.

disagree, more risk on players coming to Rs than other way

also Zib is less decline than temporary funk
play has picked up
it is less a discussion bout Zib in decline and more of a search to answer
why is it sometimes Kreider + zib click, other times no chemistry?
Do they need
a RW who clicks?
a pivot and move RS Zib to RW?
to repurpose Zib in a deal?
Answer: what is most productive long term?

Shesty back in Vez form
happy to think long term
no Zib to LA, DD to NY

Shesty + Zib to Leafs
for
Nylander + Liljigren

Rs then flip Nyl + Lil for Sanderson +

----------

bread + cap dump Leshitshow
for
PLD + Roy + Byfield [again, non freakin negotiable]

hurts Kings as to long term pivot depth
but immediate help first line W
STRUCTURAL cap relief [long term dump pld for 2 extra seasons of AP]



in any event ZERO reason even think about this much risk and cost w'o Byfield

You're the one proposing the deal. What would looking in the mirror do? I'm a fan of neither team.

I'm the one proposing, YOU'RE the one with an unsubstantiated comment.
If you want to critique, that is fine
BACK IT UP W/OBJECTIVE ANALYSIS
if you can't, or won't
stuff it

 

[TheGroceryStick]

Add some picks & prospects to make the value work.

I’m listening.

 

[TheGroceryStick]

Tavares + Brodie + Robertson + 1st
For
Doughty + Denault + Kaliyev + 4th

 

[MikeK]

With another 3 years left after this year I don't think there is a single team who would be willing to take that on regardless of retained salary. That's a lot of money for a guy whose best days are behind him. Stranger things have happened but I don't see it happening. Maybe in another 2 years but not with 3+ years still left.

 

[Schmooley]

disagree, more risk on players coming to Rs than other way

also Zib is less decline than temporary funk
play has picked up
it is less a discussion bout Zib in decline and more of a search to answer
why is it sometimes Kreider + zib click, other times no chemistry?
Do they need
a RW who clicks?
a pivot and move RS Zib to RW?
to repurpose Zib in a deal?
Answer: what is most productive long term?

Shesty back in Vez form
happy to think long term
no Zib to LA, DD to NY

Shesty + Zib to Leafs
for
Nylander + Liljigren

Rs then flip Nyl + Lil for Sanderson +

----------

bread + cap dump Leshitshow
for
PLD + Roy + Byfield [again, non freakin negotiable]

hurts Kings as to long term pivot depth
but immediate help first line W
STRUCTURAL cap relief [long term dump pld for 2 extra seasons of AP]



in any event ZERO reason even think about this much risk and cost w'o Byfield


I'm the one proposing, YOU'RE the one with an unsubstantiated comment.
If you want to critique, that is fine
BACK IT UP W/OBJECTIVE ANALYSIS
if you can't, or won't
stuff it

Why do you keep making Byfield proposals all the time? He is going to be their best player real soon and already is on some nights. Rangers chance to get him was draft day and now its too late.
Kings dont want or need Panarin anyway.

 

[CanadienShark]

disagree, more risk on players coming to Rs than other way

also Zib is less decline than temporary funk
play has picked up
it is less a discussion bout Zib in decline and more of a search to answer
why is it sometimes Kreider + zib click, other times no chemistry?
Do they need
a RW who clicks?
a pivot and move RS Zib to RW?
to repurpose Zib in a deal?
Answer: what is most productive long term?

Shesty back in Vez form
happy to think long term
no Zib to LA, DD to NY

Shesty + Zib to Leafs
for
Nylander + Liljigren

Rs then flip Nyl + Lil for Sanderson +

----------

bread + cap dump Leshitshow
for
PLD + Roy + Byfield [again, non freakin negotiable]

hurts Kings as to long term pivot depth
but immediate help first line W
STRUCTURAL cap relief [long term dump pld for 2 extra seasons of AP]



in any event ZERO reason even think about this much risk and cost w'o Byfield


I'm the one proposing, YOU'RE the one with an unsubstantiated comment.
If you want to critique, that is fine
BACK IT UP W/OBJECTIVE ANALYSIS
if you can't, or won't
stuff it

No. And don't post crap if you don't want criticism.

 

[Kurrilino]

whats his price in terms of draft picks ?

Draft picks are preferred.
Make an offer and see where it goes

assuming everybody waives

Zib + bread
for
PLD + DD +Byfield [non neg.]

The title clearly says Doughty's value.

Can you for god sake just create one proposal without Byfield?
Byfield is untouchab le as it gets

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

Draft picks are preferred.
Make an offer and see where it goes



The title clearly says Doughty's value.

Can you for god sake just create one proposal without Byfield?
Byfield is untouchab le as it gets

Bruh, it’s non-negotiable in his fantasy world.

 

[bernmeister]

No. And don't post crap if you don't want criticism.

no back at you
and I don't refuse to consider criticism IF it is accurate and objective
your comments are neither

 

[bernmeister]

Draft picks are preferred.
Make an offer and see where it goes



The title clearly says Doughty's value.

Can you for god sake just create one proposal without Byfield?
Byfield is untouchab le as it gets

I did not violate parameters of the thread
I included DD as part of a package

There remains desire to move pld
I am fine specifying the cost is Byfield
whether moving pld is stand alone dump or part of a package

While we are at it, DD remains quality but risk of slowdown at high 11m per price tag while aging
wheels could come off, maybe not overnight, but soon

you want a signif return from Rs, you make it worth my while in the currency I want to earn my endorsement
at present that is Byfield or no deal