Draisaitl-Gretzky-McDavid vs Jagr-Lemieux-Crosby

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

The pens here have two of the top 5 players all time and jagr another top 15 player of all time. Neither mcdavid or Leon are close right now

 

[illpucks]

This explains quite a lot.

How? I was actually gonna put Messier but when I searched for highlights all I could find was one with him throwing elbows and even though I saw him play Drai is above that dirty game and Drai is reigning AR/Hart/Lindsay winner

 

[illpucks]

The pens here have two of the top 5 players all time and jagr another top 15 player of all time. Neither mcdavid or Leon are close right now

Jagr is higher than Sid on a lot of lists

 

[daver]

Jagr is higher than Sid on a lot of lists

Why?

 

[treple13]

I mean this is obviously the Pens trio, but it should be noted the Pens trio is just way better balanced as a line than the Oilers trio which is just going to be all out offense. I'll take the two-way game of Crosby and the power forward element Jagr brings to just having three guys who score.

 

[nowhereman]

Jagr is higher than Sid on a lot of lists

I certainly wouldn't say "a lot", unless you're talking about random blog lists.

McDavid's career high is 116 points.

McDavid didn't play in the 80s.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Jagr is higher than Sid on a lot of lists

No he's not lol. Any new list last couple seasons sid is higher

 

[sepHF]

Why?

The only player to get more points in the history of the sport is Wayne Gretzky... that's probably why lol

 

[daver]

The only player to get more points in the history of the sport is Wayne Gretzky... that's probably why lol

You literally typed out this response then laughed out loud just before you posted it?

 

[slovakia18]

Why is it always like , most points =better player?
Datsyuk, toews, bergeron, sorry but i would take tham before i take draisaitl, jagr or Crosby.
Wayne is ok , everyone would take him, but than i think datsyuk- Toews are really close.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Why is it always like , most points =better player?
Datsyuk, toews, bergeron, sorry but i would take tham before i take draisaitl, jagr or Crosby.
Wayne is ok , everyone would take him, but than i think datsyuk- Toews are really close.

Because toews two way capabilities doesn't negate the 40 more points crosby would consistently score more a season

 

[Hockeyholic]

True but Messier is slow compared to Drai and less skill. Inserting a peak Wayne Gretzky with Edmonton's duo is a better option.

This is false.

 

[Thenameless]

The Pens trio would often be injured, how many games in a season would they actually play all together?

Enough games to win as many Cups as the Oilers' trio.

 

[BlueMed]

Prime Gretzky doesnt have the speed or hockey sense to keep up with McDavid or Drai. Totally different eras.

 

[illpucks]

Prime Gretzky doesnt have the speed or hockey sense to keep up with McDavid or Drai. Totally different eras.

The best hockey sense in the history of the game...see below the timestamp comment from that goalie


As for speed McDavid has been on a line with Eberle and Lucic....and the Great One in his prime is faster than Lucic

 

[missinthejets]

And here I am wondering if Crosby really is the 2nd best penguins player... cause jagr has a pretty solid case for being ahead.

I'd have mcdavid over Crosby too and that's nothing against Crosby.

Oh, and Gretzky is better than Lemieux.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

Prime Gretzky doesnt have the speed or hockey sense to keep up with McDavid or Drai. Totally different eras.

You’re calling the best player to ever play the game, who is lauded for having some of the best hockey sense of all time, not being able to keep up hockey sense wise?

 

[ICanMotteBelieveIt]

Lemieux = Gretzky
Crosby > McDavid
Jagr >>>>> Draisaitl

I feel like this thread is disrespectful to Jagr even though there are 6 total players mentioned.

You literally stole all my thoughts. I'd rank 'em the same.

 

[ICanMotteBelieveIt]

Prime Gretzky doesnt have the speed or hockey sense to keep up with McDavid or Drai. Totally different eras.

Bruh deleted this comment or deactivate your account. Gretzky's hockey sense is unrivaled to this date, except for one guy perhaps. The only one who's reached it is Mario.

 

[ICanMotteBelieveIt]

You’re calling the best player to ever play the game, who is lauded for having some of the best hockey sense of all time, not being able to keep up hockey sense wise?

He's drunk or something.

 

[BlueMed]

You’re calling the best player to ever play the game, who is lauded for having some of the best hockey sense of all time, not being able to keep up hockey sense wise?

Gretzky was the most dominant player to ever play the game, but that is not the same thing as the most skilled player. Wayne was scoring on players that could barely skate and goaltenders without any fundamentals. Players today are bigger, faster, stronger, and much more skilled than ever before. The game is on a completely different level today than it was in the 80s.

 

[nowhereman]

Prime Gretzky doesnt have the speed or hockey sense to keep up with McDavid or Drai. Totally different eras.

To your credit, this is only the second dumbest Gretzky-related comment I've seen this weekend. The other came yesterday, when someone said Gretzky wouldn't even be an NHL-caliber player in today's league.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

Gretzky was the most dominant player to ever play the game, but that is not the same thing as the most skilled player. Wayne was scoring on players that could barely skate and goaltenders without any fundamentals. Players today are bigger, faster, stronger, and much more skilled than ever before. The game is on a completely different level today than it was in the 80s.

And yet all this somehow means his hockey sense, which was his greatest asset, couldn’t keep up?

This is a bad take.

 

[ThisIsMyAlibi]

Prime Gretzky doesnt have the speed or hockey sense to keep up with McDavid or Drai. Totally different eras.

Holy shit lmao

 

[Future GOAT]

As much of a fan I am of Lemieux and Jagr, I'm actually quite surprised HF is going against Gretzky in this one.