Draisaitl-Gretzky-McDavid vs Jagr-Lemieux-Crosby

[Albatros]

McDavid hasn't won a cup yet, but he has, individually, done more than Kurri.

Games:
Kurri 754
McDavid 376

Goals:
Kurri 474
McDavid 176

Goals per game:
Kurri 0.63
McDavid 0.47

Assists:
Kurri 569
McDavid 333

Assists per game:
McDavid 0.89
Kurri 0.75

Points:
Kurri 1043
McDavid 509

Points per game:
Kurri 1.38
McDavid 1.35

Plus/minus:
Kurri +373
McDavid +45

This without the five cups, four of which Kurri won as the top goal scorer.

 

[pcruz]

Games:
Kurri 754
McDavid 376

Goals:
Kurri 474
McDavid 176

Goals per game:
Kurri 0.63
McDavid 0.47

Assists:
Kurri 569
McDavid 333

Assists per game:
McDavid 0.89
Kurri 0.75

Points:
Kurri 1043
McDavid 509

Points per game:
Kurri 1.38
McDavid 1.35

Plus/minus:
Kurri +373
McDavid +45

This without the five cups, four of which Kurri won as the top goal scorer.

Yes, those are all good numbers. And if anyone were to argue that Kurri was a bad player, they would be wrong.

However, you have McDavid at 0.03 ppg less than Kurri, in a drastically less offensive league, and without the help of the best player in the league feeding him easy points here and there.
It also completely ignores the fact that McDavid has a Hart, 2 Art Ross, 2 Ted Lindsay in what, 5 years? On a complete garbage team.

So, individually, what Connor McDavid has achieved thus far, is absolutely incredible.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

True but Messier is slow compared to Drai and less skill. Inserting a peak Wayne Gretzky with Edmonton's duo is a better option.

This explains quite a lot.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

Games:
Kurri 754
McDavid 376

Goals:
Kurri 474
McDavid 176

Goals per game:
Kurri 0.63
McDavid 0.47

Assists:
Kurri 569
McDavid 333

Assists per game:
McDavid 0.89
Kurri 0.75

Points:
Kurri 1043
McDavid 509

Points per game:
Kurri 1.38
McDavid 1.35

Plus/minus:
Kurri +373
McDavid +45

This without the five cups, four of which Kurri won as the top goal scorer.

I like how you mention cups, but leave out McDavids personal hardware.

 

[Albatros]

McDavid's personal hardware just underlines his inferiority compared to the Penguins trio or Malkin.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Gimme the Penguins

No thought necessary

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

McDavid's personal hardware just underlines his inferiority compared to the Penguins trio or Malkin.

But you’re the one who is comparing him to Kurri.

 

[SEALBound]

Lemieux = Gretzky
Crosby > McDavid
Jagr >>>>> Draisaitl

I feel like this thread is disrespectful to Jagr even though there are 6 total players mentioned.

 

[nowhereman]

Lemieux = Gretzky
Crosby > McDavid
Jagr >>>>> Draisaitl

I feel like this thread is disrespectful to Jagr even though there are 6 total players mentioned.

I think you could also read it as disrespectful to Jagr, Crosby and McDavid. We all know Gretzky and Lemieux are in their own tier, while Crosby/Jagr/McDavid are all in the tier below. Not sure how Draisaitl worked his way into the equation.

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

Gretzky > Lemieux
McDavid =< Crosby
Draisaitl << Jagr

Pens trio is better.

 

[Artorius Horus T]

No offense to Drai but Kurri >>> Drai

 

[Artorius Horus T]

Games:
Kurri 754
McDavid 376

Goals:
Kurri 474
McDavid 176

Goals per game:
Kurri 0.63
McDavid 0.47

Assists:
Kurri 569
McDavid 333

Assists per game:
McDavid 0.89
Kurri 0.75

Points:
Kurri 1043
McDavid 509

Points per game:
Kurri 1.38
McDavid 1.35

Plus/minus:
Kurri +373
McDavid +45

This without the five cups, four of which Kurri won as the top goal scorer.

And the fact that Kurri was a two-way forward, he played always d first.

 

[Albatros]

But you’re the one who is comparing him to Kurri.

Kurri has arguments in his favor against the Penguins players.

 

[daver]

Games:
Kurri 754
McDavid 376

Goals:
Kurri 474
McDavid 176

Goals per game:
Kurri 0.63
McDavid 0.47

Assists:
Kurri 569
McDavid 333

Assists per game:
McDavid 0.89
Kurri 0.75

Points:
Kurri 1043
McDavid 509

Points per game:
Kurri 1.38
McDavid 1.35

Plus/minus:
Kurri +373
McDavid +45

This without the five cups, four of which Kurri won as the top goal scorer.

The irony is the OP is asking how good would McDavid be if he ALSO got to play with Wayne like Kurri did.

 

[Albatros]

Kurri's production didn't drop after Gretzky got traded. If McDavid would have to rely on Gretzky to score he wouldn't be a very good player.

 

[Habs10025]

Jagr - Lemieux - Crosby .

 

[daver]

Kurri's production didn't drop after Gretzky got traded. If McDavid would have to rely on Gretzky to score he wouldn't be a very good player.

Kurri was 9th in scoring after Wayne was traded. Is that how he should be viewed? Both McDavid and Drai have been better than that. They are clearly Top 3, arguably the Top 2 scorers.

 

[Albatros]

Kurri was 9th in scoring after Wayne was traded. Is that how he should be viewed? Both McDavid and Drai have been better than that. They are clearly Top 3, arguably the Top 2 scorers.

And 13th before the trade. You can view him how you want, but I think 72 goals in 99 playoff games leading to 5 rings speaks for itself.

 

[DomBarr]

Right now it is the Penguins trio...

That may change if McDavid and Draisatl can actually help the Oilers win in the post season as opposed to collecting individual awards

 

[daver]

And 13th before the trade. You can view him how you want, but I think 72 goals in 99 playoff games leading to 5 rings speaks for itself.

So a 13th and 9th placing doesn't scream being better than Art Ross winners.

If you are trying to make a case that Kurri playing with arguably the most dominant athlete in NA sports history didn't affect his production, you aren't making a very believable one.

 

[Spirit of 67]

In what universe has Draisaitl surpassed Messier, Kurri, Coffey as Oiler all time greats?

The one where all the Greatest Players of All Time are currently in the NHL.

 

[Spirit of 67]

I'll take the Pens "pair" plus the other guy.

 

[Albatros]

So a 13th and 9th placing doesn't scream being better than Art Ross winners.

If you are trying to make a case that Kurri playing with arguably the most dominant athlete in NA sports history didn't affect his production, you aren't making a very believable one.

Everything has its context, you can win an Art Ross and be largely useless defensively like McDavid, or you can be elite in both ends like Kurri.

Kurri's production before and after the trade:

1986/87 79 54+54=108
1987/88 80 43+53=96
----- Gretzky traded -----
1988/89 76 44+58=102
1989/90 78 33+60=93

 

[daver]

Everything has its context, you can win an Art Ross and be largely useless defensively like McDavid, or you can be elite in both ends like Kurri.

Kurri's production before and after the trade:

1986/87 79 54+54=108
1987/88 80 43+53=96
----- Gretzky traded -----
1988/89 76 44+58=102
1989/90 78 33+60=93

So again, he is, without Wayne, a borderline Top 10 scorer.

If he put up 130 points without Wayne, then you have an argument, that offensively, he was close to McDavid.

 

[Albatros]

McDavid's career high is 116 points.