Friedman: Dougie Hamilton's agent receives permission to speak to other teams

[Gurglesons]

Go for it, sign him to that big contract and don't be upset that you weren't warned.

If the Pens could sign Hamilton and didn't already have money tied up in a lesser version of him in Matheson, I'd happily do it.

 

[thethirdhockeyman91]

what city has the best museums? That’s where Dougie is going.

 

[TeddyBare]

Can't be worse than the doughty and Karlsson contracts

 

[Tryamw]

Well I kind of hope some team offers him 20 per for 8 years. What could possibly go wrong? and I wouldn't feel bad at all not paying him that.

 

[gojetsgo]

The new trade market is for Dougie Hamilton. Not a new concept. I've followed the Hamilton free agency situation for multiple years now and I've never seen somebody previously suggest that the Canes should allow all teams open access prior to UFA. It is unusual.

For Edmundson and Hayes I don't remember either original team publicly leaking that the UFA is free game for a trade-and-sign. I know in Edmundson's case that Montreal specifically wanted him early. Can't remember much about Hayes. Neither is near the caliber of player that Hamilton is.

allowing him permission to talk to teams eliminates all but 1 team, I would hardly call that a trade market. The value in this for the hurricanes will come from either proving to hamilton the contract they offered is close to what he would get on the open market or give them the ability to move on earlier and start looking ahead while picking up a mid-late round draft pick

 

[jrs]

what city has the best museums? That’s where Dougie is going.

Winnipeg has lots of good stuff!

 

[57special]

what city has the best museums? That’s where Dougie is going.

Caps

 

[Gurglesons]

Caps

I feel like he's going to sign with LA or ANA tbh if not with Carolina.

Some low media market in a bigger city.

 

[TeddyBare]

The opinions on Seth Jones and Dougie Hamilton are hilarious this off-season.

really is wild.

One player commands the game, and people still think the other plays at the same level

 

[SI90]

Hamilton even if traded can only sign a 7 year contract as he was still on the canes after the TDL.

so the return is a mid round draft pick so that the team can secure him without waiting and potentially have another team come in with an offer.

Still an asset.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I love Dougie. I hope that if he leaves, he gets the Brinks truck. I still think that the FO and Hamilton will agree to some sort of extension around the $8M/year mark.

 

[Smitty426]

what city has the best museums? That’s where Dougie is going.

Manhattan, 5 shorts trains stops to Newark BTW, heck he can live in NYC and take the 40 min ride into Jersey
23 Best Museums in New York City

 

[Breakers]

I feel like he's going to sign with LA or ANA tbh if not with Carolina.

Some low media market in a bigger city.

so essentially the most expensive right side in the league by probably double the next closest team.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

The opinions on Seth Jones and Dougie Hamilton are hilarious this off-season.

really is wild.

Jones was legitimately bad this year.

Hamilton had two bad games in the playoffs after 3 years of consistently good play and a bunch of overemotional 'Canes fans overreacted for the sake of finding a whipping boy to blame, and let loose the bad takes. And oh boy have there been some stinkers.

OTOH the 'Canes board isn't really that divided on this, everyone agrees that paying Hamilton what he could command on the open market will have serious cap ramifications in the future, for me it really depends if you actually think there's a good chance the 'Canes can keep this team together past the UFA crunch in the 24 and 25 offseasons. Assuming Svechnikov and Necas get 3-4 year bridges every core member of the team hits UFA in those years, you give Hamilton 8 million AAV and trade protection and that sets the bar for the rest of the team. Pesce demands that at a minimum, Slavin demands more. If you think it's going to fall apart then anyway, you may as well sign him and go balls to the wall for these last 3-4 post seasons before Slavin goes to Colorado or Chicago, Aho to Montreal and Pesce to his brother's bar.

Also ftr, the point of the museum thing wasn't that it was a bad thing Hamilton was using his free airfare and per diem to do touristy things, it's that the rest of the team would go to a restaurant for lunch while he'd go do his own thing. IIRC it was Gaudreau who said that, he just phrased it or was quoted poorly/hilariously.

 

[Chan790]

what city has the best museums? That’s where Dougie is going.

DC, by far. In the top-5 internationally for number and quality of museums. (The SI is the huge difference maker.)

NYC is a distant second among NHL cities.

I don't see the Caps in on Dougie.

 

[Captain Mountain]

The opinions on Seth Jones and Dougie Hamilton are hilarious this off-season.

really is wild.

One player commands the game, and people still think the other plays at the same level

I think this is the best take I've seen on the opinions of those guys this offseason:

 

[Legion34]

so essentially the most expensive right side in the league by probably double the next closest team.

San Jose?

 

[GoldiFox]

allowing him permission to talk to teams eliminates all but 1 team, I would hardly call that a trade market. The value in this for the hurricanes will come from either proving to hamilton the contract they offered is close to what he would get on the open market or give them the ability to move on earlier and start looking ahead while picking up a mid-late round draft pick

All but 2 teams as all indications so far have been that Hamilton would probably sign in Carolina if they matched Team X's offer. That would be up to the Canes then.

In the event of a sign-and-trade or trade-and-sign I think that pick would be closer to a 2nd or 3rd. Higher for the 8th year option.

There is also the possibility that a team who wants to sign Hamilton may also have to shed money of which the Canes could facilitate. Let's say hypothetically that the Florida Panthers would offer Hamilton the best contract and Carolina would also be willing to take back Yandle (who would waive his NMC) plus assets. It just opens up other options.

 

[Legion34]

Wouldn’t Philly make the most sense? Unless he wants Edmonton?

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Jones was legitimately bad this year.

Hamilton had two bad games in the playoffs after 3 years of consistently good play and a bunch of overemotional 'Canes fans overreacted for the sake of finding a whipping boy to blame, and let loose the bad takes. And oh boy have there been some stinkers.

OTOH the 'Canes board isn't really that divided on this, everyone agrees that paying Hamilton what he could command on the open market will have serious cap ramifications in the future, for me it really depends if you actually think there's a good chance the 'Canes can keep this team together past the UFA crunch in the 24 and 25 offseasons. Assuming Svechnikov and Necas get 3-4 year bridges every core member of the team hits UFA in those years, you give Hamilton 8 million AAV and trade protection and that sets the bar for the rest of the team. Pesce demands that at a minimum, Slavin demands more. If you think it's going to fall apart then anyway, you may as well sign him and go balls to the wall for these last 3-4 post seasons before Slavin goes to Colorado or Chicago, Aho to Montreal and Pesce to his brother's bar.

Also ftr, the point of the museum thing wasn't that it was a bad thing Hamilton was using his free airfare and per diem to do touristy things, it's that the rest of the team would go to a restaurant for lunch while he'd go do his own thing. IIRC it was Gaudreau who said that, he just phrased it or was quoted poorly/hilariously.

I'm pretty adamant, I will say, in my opinion that paying Hamilton is the right move. We have one of the best farms in the league, but the vast bulk of our NHL-ready prospects are forwards, and developing new defensive prospects takes time. Having an expensive defense to support our farm system seems like the right way to do business until the young horses arrive.

 

[FSL KINGS]

so essentially the most expensive right side in the league by probably double the next closest team.

Burns & Karlsson 19.5

 

[TeddyBare]

I think this is the best take I've seen on the opinions of those guys this offseason:

That's probably exactly how I would reference it.

This is a battle for the ages.

Dougie Hamilton plays the way dinosaurs think Seth Jones plays.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Wouldn’t Philly make the most sense? Unless he wants Edmonton?

Winnipeg, perhaps. The Jets have the need, cap space and are in the competitive situation (win now) to justify taking on the risk that the back half of his deal poses.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Winnipeg, perhaps. The Jets have the need, cap space and are in the competitive situation (win now) to justify taking on the risk that the back half of his deal poses.

I would say that the teams that make the most sense to me are Carolina (of course), Philly, Winnipeg, Edmonton, Anaheim, and maybe Vancouver.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Enough that his asking price makes me uncomfortable. Defensively, when he's on he's serviceable. Won't shut anyone down

Point and Kucherov combined for 1 ES point in 5 games playing against Slavin/Hamilton.

Does this not constitute "shutting [someone] down"?

will get beat on on higher skilled plays

His main defensive problem is on broken plays. If he's playing with someone he has good chemistry with, in a system he knows, he's fine (and actually pretty good- but the crux of this entire thing is you want a bit more than 'pretty good' for 8 mil AAV). Hamilton's worst time in Carolina was his first 40 games when he was getting to know the system and know Slavin. The one point scored above stemmed from a broken play because Aho/Teravainen fled the zone early and Hamilton did not read this in time leading to basically a 2 on 1 in the space of a second. It's why Hamilton works well with Slavin, someone who doesn't f*** up often.

He also doesn't use his body like some people would like a 6'6 guy to do, but that's much more a YMMV.