Proposal: Dougie Hamilton for Taylor Hall?

[Mr. Make-Believe]

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Considering the Oilers wouldn't touch this offer, the real question should be anther you'd trade Dougie plus two significant other assets for Taylor Hall.

One for one, of course. But those aren't fair parameters as the asking price would be much higher.

 

[chizzler]

Redeye,
Once you get Hall, Chara will go in about two years. Who do you have to come in and be your no.1? Which defenseman down in providence or the minors is a stud that will do that. Even if you got a number 1 pick and you picked the best defenseman in the draft in the summer, he will still be three years out from making an impact. Mean while, your going to score more goals hopefully, unless Clode neuters Hall ( will happen). But so won't your opponent( see Edmonton). Most good defenseman are locked up. Mean while Hamilton is a top defenseman in the league and your just sitting here grinning that we need a no.1.

 

[BNHL]

Redeye,
Once you get Hall, Chara will go in about two years. Who do you have to come in and be your no.1? Which defenseman down in providence or the minors is a stud that will do that. Even if you got a number 1 pick and you picked the best defenseman in the draft in the summer, he will still be three years out from making an impact. Mean while, your going to score more goals hopefully, unless Clode neuters Hall ( will happen). But so won't your opponent( see Edmonton). Most good defenseman are locked up.


Not right now he's not,way too erratic and will never be a "physical" defenseman I don't think. I don't know who to compare him to that's 3 years or so ahead. He'll never equitably replace Chara I don't think.

 

[chizzler]

Redeye,
Once you get Hall, Chara will go in about two years. Who do you have to come in and be your no.1? Which defenseman down in providence or the minors is a stud that will do that. Even if you got a number 1 pick and you picked the best defenseman in the draft in the summer, he will still be three years out from making an impact. Mean while, your going to score more goals hopefully, unless Clode neuters Hall ( will happen). But so won't your opponent( see Edmonton). Most good defenseman are locked up.


Not right now he's not,way too erratic and will never be a "physical" defenseman I don't think. I don't know who to compare him to that's 3 years or so ahead. He'll never equitably replace Chara I don't think.

Your right. I don't think he will be a physical force either. It's not his game, but neither was Lidstrom's.

 

[BNHL]

Your right. I don't think he will be a physical force either. It's not his game, but neither was Lidstrom's.

I'm not sure that Lidstrom was ever this erratic or downright sucky. Can we think of a player that might be what Hamilton could develop into? He will never be Chara like.

 

[Central Scrutinizer]

The better player is always the better player.

That being said, all things being equal i take the Dman 10x out of 10.

 

[chizzler]

I'm not sure that Lidstrom was ever this erratic or downright sucky. Can we think of a player that might be what Hamilton could develop into? He will never be Chara like.

He started playing worse after being put with Chara. I don't like him there. He takes a back seat to Chara and I think he needs to lead his pairing. It's a work in progress. It would be foolish to trade him now so early. Also that second contract is scary as well. He really is just average. Hiss game is not at 5 mil. What does an average defenseman get? People on these boards are talking 5mil. I hope not. It will ruin him. Give him 3-3.4. That way he still has the desire to improve. Young kids are getting the money too early and it's backfiring everywhere. Both to the player and team.

 

[BNHL]

He started playing worse after being put with Chara. I don't like him there. He takes a back seat to Chara and I think he needs to lead his pairing. It's a work in progress. It would be foolish to trade him now so early. Also that second contract is scary as well. He really is just average. Hiss game is not at 5 mil. What does an average defenseman get? People on these boards are talking 5mil. I hope not. It will ruin him. Give him 3-3.4. That way he still has the desire to improve. Young kids are getting the money too early and it's backfiring everywhere. Both to the player and team.

Hopefully he gets to his potential quicker than the 6 years most defensemen need.

 

[SPLBRUIN]

I would do it in a heartbeat, no guarantee that Hamilton will ever be that #1 type of D-man, guy is wildly inconsistent.

 

[chizzler]

I would do it in a heartbeat, no guarantee that Hamilton will ever be that #1 type of D-man, guy is wildly inconsistent.

He's only 21. Look at Petro in St. Louis. Was his game there early on?

 

[BNHL]

He's only 21. Look at Petro in St. Louis. Was his game there early on?

Maybe Pietrangelo is a good comparison. Is that what we're waiting for?

 

[JOKER 192]

Dougie for Hall and their first rounder this year. Not gonna happen...but that is what i think Dougie is worth.

I'd do that in a heartbeat,but Edmonton doesn't. As much as I like Dougie he isn't Worth Hall and either McDavid or Eichel.

 

[JOKER 192]

Current compensation of the best of the best in the NHL right now does not reflect your point:

http://www.capgeek.com/leaders/

Parise, Ovechkin, Perry, Kessel, Hossa, Nash, Zetterberg and Brown all in the top 25 biggest contracts, all wingers.

5 dmen in the top 25.

A franchise winger is becoming extremely coveted in the NHL, and extremely difficult to come by.

10 wingers scored more than 30 goals last year in the NHL. I'll let you digest how rare a commodity an elite scoring winger is.

All that may be true but it doesn't deminish the value of a top D.

 

[Mainehockey33]

Current compensation of the best of the best in the NHL right now does not reflect your point:

http://www.capgeek.com/leaders/

Parise, Ovechkin, Perry, Kessel, Hossa, Nash, Zetterberg and Brown all in the top 25 biggest contracts, all wingers.

5 dmen in the top 25.

A franchise winger is becoming extremely coveted in the NHL, and extremely difficult to come by.

10 wingers scored more than 30 goals last year in the NHL. I'll let you digest how rare a commodity an elite scoring winger is.

Elite wingers are a luxury, elite defenseman are not. Hossa, Brown, Kane, Zetterberg (lidstrom days), were all on successful teams because they had a franchise defenseman backing them... Nash, Perry, and Kessel won't lead there team to any kind of sustainable success without a great defenseman.

 

[Dellstrom]

Hall has more value than Hamilton, but without Hamilton, our D for the future is absolutely boned. We need a #1 to build around and he's that guy. Another Chara isn't going to roll around in free agency, should have signed Suter if we wanted that.

 

[RedeyeRocketeer]

Elite wingers are a luxury, elite defenseman are not. Hossa, Brown, Kane, Zetterberg (lidstrom days), were all on successful teams because they had a franchise defenseman backing them... Nash, Perry, and Kessel won't lead there team to any kind of sustainable success without a great defenseman.

So the Rangers weren't in the finals last year? Huh.

So Anaheim isn't the predominant odds on fav to win the cup this year? Interesting.

 

[LouJersey]

Chara plus for Yashin

Pronger for Shanhan

Stevens as comp for Shanahan

Chelios for Savard.

Look what Pronger did one year with Edmmonton. What he did for the Ducks.

Dougie may be that one day.

 

[LouJersey]

So the Rangers weren't in the finals last year? Huh.

So Anaheim isn't the predominant odds on fav to win the cup this year? Interesting.

Had nothing to do with Nash in case you missed those playoffs.

 

[Mainehockey33]

So the Rangers weren't in the finals last year? Huh.

So Anaheim isn't the predominant odds on fav to win the cup this year? Interesting.

Notice I said sustainable success, of course teams like NJ can have hot runs, but to be aa Boston, LA, or Chicago, you need a Doughty, not a Nash.

 

[Mainehockey33]

Had nothing to do with Nash in case you missed those playoffs.

3 goals in 25 games, he carried them nowhere.

 

[Rubber Biscuit]

So the Rangers weren't in the finals last year? Huh.

So Anaheim isn't the predominant odds on fav to win the cup this year? Interesting.

The Rangers were sure as hell not led there by Nash. Not even close. If that's your thought then you not only didn't watch the playoffs but you also didn't check the box scores.

I wouldn't call Anaheim the predominant odds on favorite either.

 

[burstnbloom]

I'm not sure that Lidstrom was ever this erratic or downright sucky. Can we think of a player that might be what Hamilton could develop into? He will never be Chara like.

Lidstrom made his debut when he was 21 years, 6 months old. Dougie is 21 years and 6 months old next month. You need to have a little perspective on this kid.

If you look at the top 5-ish two way defensemen in the league, Dougie is ahead of the curve on most of them.

Doughty - debut 19, Age 21 season - 11G 29A
Keith - debut 22, Age 21 season in Norfolk
Chara - debut 20, age 21 season 2G 9A
Weber - debut 20, age 21 season 17G 23A
Suter - debut 21, age 21 season 1G 15A

He compares favorably to the best of the best and he's not close to a finished product. There are very few players I would give him up for right now and none of them would be traded by their teams, for good reason. They'd need to be good, cheap and under team control for a long time.

 

[BadBruins]

I like Hall's skill set and I like his work ethic. I still think there is something missing upstairs. Like he doesn't really have the same feel for the game as most other stars do. Maybe it's because he plays the wing?. Maybe he's a winger because of that lack of pure hockey sense? Don't know. No question he has raw talent and he can put up points. I honestly like RNH more though.

For this franchise, at this point in time, I think having a Hamilton is more important than having a Hall.

 

[Gonzothe7thDman]

Yes, because it is really dumb to value the one Dman who can anchor your top pair in the future. Those guys just grow on trees.

What's dumb is if your offered a significantly more valuable asset 1 for 1 for one of your guys and you say no thanks.

If we acquired Hall and couldn't package Marchand or Lucic for a comparable young Dman, then you turn around and flip Hall later on for a better Dman than Hamilton when Chara is gone.

Just smart asset management, not rocket science.

 

[Fire Sweeney]

If I trade Hamilton for a winger it's for Ovechkin