"Doughty is the best defenseman in the league" per McDavid

[DDRhockey]

I'm sure. If he's the engine running Tampa, Tampa should retool and get some help because that engine sure hasn't accomplished anything yet. Poor guy. All alone.

Yeah like doughty is all alone with kopitar having a hart season

 

[Sol]

Yeah like doughty is all alone with kopitar having a hart season

Look at both rosters and if you honestly are more impressed by Hedman with roster consideration included... Then we have nothing more to talk about.

 

[Osprey]

I'm sure. If he's the engine running Tampa, Tampa should retool and get some help because that engine sure hasn't accomplished anything yet. Poor guy. All alone.

That has pretty much been the case in LA the last few years, as well. Poor Doughty has had to do everything on defense and it hasn't been enough.

 

[Rodgerwilco]

Ooh, I like that. I should write that down.

Reading/Listening to respond rather than reading/listening to comprehend is probably the biggest problems with social media debates, in my opinion.

 

[AlphaCatalyst]

Hedman will never win a championship.

Do World CHAMPIONSHIPS count?

Or do you mean since then?

 

[Albus Dumbledore]

Heart and soul type player just a complete warrior. If he wasn't a whiner he'd be almost the perfect player.

 

[joe dirte]

Yeah like doughty is all alone with kopitar having a hart season

honestly, it's been my opinion all along thatvis hedmans to lose. and I also think he would be the easy winner had he not gotten injured. but doughty has quietly had a spectacular season and they're not far apart. there is a solid argument for him to win it.

a few weeks ago this was hedman for me. but now I'm 50/50. I haven't paid as much attention to doughty this year.

I mean if you're gonna argue it, tell me where you see hedman as so much better this year. I'm genuinely curious.

 

[joe dirte]

Do World CHAMPIONSHIPS count?

Or do you mean since then?

no, they don't really count.

 

[MOGlLNY]

Jeez man, you're reading to respond and not reading to comprehend....

All he said was that McDavid (and Gretzky... and a LOT of guys) throw around superlatives like "best... greatest...toughest...etc." like it's nothing... Gretzky is a good example because most people consider him untouchable, however he's said things like "Kyle Turris has the best vision of any player in the NHL".

Gretzky is very well known for heaping huge amounts of praise onto various players. He loves to say certain guys are "the best since *insert all-time great*"... He's also said on multiple occasions that certain players were going to break his records... I think he said it about Tavares once, he's said it about McDavid.

If you didn't know this about Gretzky, that's on you, but you look like kind a jerk poo-poo'ing on this guy about something that he's actually correct about...

I understand what his point was, my point was that the two don't correlate whatsoever. Gretzky is RETIRED talking about players he never faced, if Gretzky said something about this when he was playing against a player he played against regularly you would throw that opinion out the window?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

honestly, it's been my opinion all along thatvis hedmans to lose. and I also think he would be the easy winner had he not gotten injured. but doughty has quietly had a spectacular season and they're not far apart. there is a solid argument for him to win it.

a few weeks ago this was hedman for me. but now I'm 50/50. I haven't paid as much attention to doughty this year.

I mean if you're gonna argue it, tell me where you see hedman as so much better this year. I'm genuinely curious.

He won't. Just likes to do drivebys to crap on Doughty.

So here:

Player	Gp	G	A	P	CF%	CF%rel	GF%	GF%rel	TOI/GP	PPTOI/GP	SHTOI/GP	ZSRrel	ToIQoC	ToIQoT
Victor Hedman	75	16	45	61	52.49	0.65	59.66	3.93	25:48	3:24	2:36	2.11	29.31	28.13
Drew Doughty	80	10	49	59	52.53	4.41	54.76	2.73	26:49	3:05	2:48	-2.26	29.5	28.42

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Adding to Doughty's case is that he's played more minutes than anyone in the league, gets used as the shutdown guy on top of all of the above, and has a rotating cadre of partners, all of whom do much, much better with him on the ice.

 

[LAKings88]

I believe most players in the league would consider Drew the best all around defenseman.

Karlsson is impressive. Probably more gifted than Drew.

I’m honestly not comfortable calling any of these guys the best.


Who would you take?
Ray Bourque
Paul Coffey
Scott Stevens
Scott Niedermayer
Nick Lidstrom
Robe Blake
Chris Pronger
Al MacInnis
Phil Housley
Brian Leetch


Point is, their all great in their own way.
Can’t believe some teams had two of these guys at the same time.

 

[Adele Dazeem]

Pretty easily
Nick Lidstrom
Ray Bourque
Paul Coffey
Chris Pronger
Brian Leetch
Phil Housley
Scott Niedermayer
Robe Blake
Al MacInnis
Scott Stevens

 

[authentic]

I believe most players in the league would consider Drew the best all around defenseman.

Karlsson is impressive. Probably more gifted than Drew.

I’m honestly not comfortable calling any of these guys the best.


Who would you take?
Ray Bourque
Paul Coffey
Scott Stevens
Scott Niedermayer
Nick Lidstrom
Robe Blake
Chris Pronger
Al MacInnis
Phil Housley
Brian Leetch


Point is, their all great in their own way.
Can’t believe some teams had two of these guys at the same time.

A few of those are not like the others.

 

[LAKings88]

A few of those are not like the others.

Yeah, they sucked.

 

[Little Psycho]

Doughty hits career high in points with 60 points

 

[Todd Parchment]

I think he’s been the most well rounded defenceman in the NHL for a few years. He can basically do everything you want and more.

 

[TLEH]

I love Doughty, the crazy thing is, I don't think he even fully commits himself hockey wise all year round. I think he could be EVEN better.

 

[authentic]

Yeah, they sucked.

They weren't close to the other defensemen in your list, especially Lidstrom, Bourque, Pronger and Coffey.