Domi may not be permitted to play...

[Reddawg]

Mo chance for Laffy <3

Well, same chance really. 12.5% after Pittsburgh does their thing.

 

[Claypool]

So if he is not going to be allowed to play now, what will make him be able to play when next season starts? This virus is never going away. Are they going to prevent him from playing next season as well?

He's never allowed to play hockey again, according to some people that post here.

 

[belair]

Probably a little bit, lining up at faceoff and having a guy breathing on him, having guys coughing and clearing there throats on the bench etc

You mean a guy who gets tested routinely for the very virus they're worried about? There's very little testing in the general public. Testing in the bubble is mandatory.

 

[LeHab]

No, likely not. That doesn’t mean you can minimize that it IS a risk factor as the post I quoted tried to do.

Yeah I saw his reply. Still to make informed decisions, quantifying the actual added risk would be important but indeed may be very challenging as we would need a fairly large sample of people with a similar profile to domi. In absence of good data, better be safe than sorry will likely prevail.

 

[Syckle78]

Well there’s one thing I know for sure. Regardless of which way the team doctors and potentially an independent third party doctor rule on this, there will be plenty of armchair experts on the internet to inform them that they’re wrong.

Kakko has type 1 diabetes too and the Rangers organization has said he’s playing.
Type 1 diabetes (especially in a young professional athlete) does not present any risk.

Well that didn't take long.

 

[The Great Weal]

Well, same chance really. 12.5% after Pittsburgh does their thing.

Taking away one of Montreals top forwards diminishes the chances of them luckily winning 3 games, so ya, their odds of losing and therefore winning Laffy increases.

 

[Stephen]

You mean a guy who gets tested routinely for the very virus they're worried about? There's very little testing in the general public. Testing in the bubble is mandatory.

In real life, people he's potentially interacting with on a daily basis will not be face washing him with their gloves, gurgling Gatorate and spitting it out in his general area, trash talking him in close quarters, scrumming in close quarters, touching and hugging when they score a goal.

 

[Reddawg]

Taking away one of Montreals top forwards diminishes the chances of them luckily winning 3 games, so ya, their odds of losing and therefore winning Laffy increases.

I maintain that they remain right around zero to advance and the same 12.5% to win 1st.

 

[majormajor]

I looked it up and the T1D advocacy organization JDRF had this to say:

• Current evidence suggests that individuals with well-managed T1D are NOT at higher risk of contracting COVID-19.
• Experts further say that if someone with well-managed T1D does contract COVID-19, they are not necessarily at higher risk of developing serious complications from the disease.
• Those at greatest risk are people with consistently elevated blood sugar levels and those with a second chronic disease (such as heart disease or lung disease).

So it depends on how well managed it is. Most T1s I know don't have a problem managing it. The only ones I know who struggle are the alcoholics and other drug addicts who can't manage a lot of things, or folks who have other more severe complicating conditions. I think it's very likely that Max Domi is in the "well managed" category and all this hullabaloo is needless.

Several of my T1D friends and family have repeated this line to me out of frustration, and it would be good for people to remember:
"T1D =/= T2D"

 

[Bougieman]

Seems to me the safest place to be for anyone in the middle of this thing will either be totally isolated in their home, never ever leaving, or in the NHL bubble, playing. Knowing that none of these players are going to stay away from the public if they aren't involved in the playoffs, I don't get how any of them would be safer not playing. No one has explained this to me, yet

 

[Kranix]

You mean a guy who gets tested routinely for the very virus they're worried about? There's very little testing in the general public. Testing in the bubble is mandatory.

I just meant more danger in actually coming in contact with the virus

 

[belair]

In real life, people he's potentially interacting with on a daily basis will not be face washing him with their gloves, gurgling Gatorate and spitting it out in his general area, trash talking him in close quarters, scrumming in close quarters, touching and hugging when they score a goal.

The people doing that to him will be frequently tested to keep this thing going. Assuming there's a 14 day period prior to this thing getting off of the ground, nobody in the bubble should be testing positive at any point.

In the general public, there's absolutely no knowing who's walking around asymptomatic.

 

[JianYang]

There’s plenty of it out there. Type I is an autoimmune issue, type II is a genetic factor that also gives you high blood pressure that COVID likes to attack.

So are you specifically talking about type 1 diabetes not being an increased risk factor or autoimmune disease in general?

Full disclaimer, my background is not medicine but I find I would think an autoimmune disease like HIV would have increased liklihood of adverse effects from the virus, especially in the advanced stages.

And I would imagine there would be increased risk if someone unknowingly had type 1 diabetes, but was not managing it constantly like domi would?

 

[Stephen]

The people doing that to him will be frequently tested to keep this thing going. Assuming there's a 14 day period prior to this thing getting off of the ground, nobody in the bubble should be testing positive at any point.

In the general public, there's absolutely no knowing who's walking around asymptomatic.

Players are testing positive in Phase 2 in small groups on a regular basis in pre-camp. Once you have an entire conference of players under one tent, there's going to be risk. How often can we even expect these guys to get tested, once every 48-72 hours between games?

I would just stay home.

 

[tarheelhockey]

He can appeal but quite frankly why bother.

I assume that appealing this decision would carry insurance implications. In the event that he actually did catch COVID and actually did have complications from his diabetes, his insurance claims would be a shitshow considering he actively chose to overrule his employer's AND union's policy to put himself in that position.

I doubt an appeal would be successful, but even more so I really doubt he would be advised to file one.

Type 1 diabetes (especially in a young professional athlete) does not present any risk.

Infections cause blood sugar to rise. Even if treated carefully, sustained high blood sugar levels can lead to severe inflammation, which in the case of COVID is a serious problem.

It's unlikely that this would kill someone who is under close treatment by world-class doctors, but it would absolutely cause medical complications and would absolutely be considered a high-risk situation.

 

[bl02]

Is it any more dangerous for him to be playing in the bubble than it would be for him to continue living, shopping, exercising, etc at home?

Exactly. Regarding Kakko The kid has been practicing nonstop in Finland during this whole pandemic with 3-4 other players on the ice. I'm sure he's seen the best specialists in finland and in NY. I think they all know a bit more than we do. His blood sugars are probably better managed than most of the people on this board lol

 

[bl02]

Haven't heard anything about young and otherwise healthy and well-managed type 1 diabetics being at any increased risk. Any info on that? I assume if the diabetes is type 1 and well-controlled there's no medical difference between him and an otherwise identical person without diabetes.

From what I've read that is correct its all about blood sugar management/a1c levels.

 

[belair]

Players are testing positive in Phase 2 in small groups on a regular basis in pre-camp. Once you have an entire conference of players under one tent, there's going to be risk. How often can we even expect these guys to get tested, once every 48-72 hours between games?

I would just stay home.

Considering there's a significant amount of league revenue involved, I'd assume daily at the very least.

 

[thaman8765678]

The major risks for Covid are being old or being fat. NHL players should all be fine they are healthy.

 

[bl02]

Do you have any support to this claim? I'm reading this post with an open mind, and I'm genuinely interested to see if this is true.

Experts believe Kaapo Kakko's risk for coronavirus is manageable

 

[Mickey Marner]

Is it any more dangerous for him to be playing in the bubble than it would be for him to continue living, shopping, exercising, etc at home?

Exactly. The NHL wants to play this tournament under the premise that it's safer inside the bubble than outside.

 

[Pirate King Luffy]

If anyone actually read the article. It's guidelines set by the Public Health Agency of Canada.

"The Public Health Agency of Canada has a list of people who are considered to be in the high-risk group for severe illness from contracting COVID-19, and diabetes is listed among the pre-existing conditions. Any doctor evaluating Domi would deem him unfit to play for this reason."

"Domi and the Canadiens would be able to seek a second opinion in this case, but the government guidelines are quite clear in this case. It seems as though he will not be able to join the team on the ice when Stage 3 begins in the coming days."

So the Canadiens would let him play but they have to abide by the guidelines set by the Canadian Government. So it's not the NHL or Canadiens sitting him just because, there's a valid reason.

As for Kakko, the US is a mess right now and probably don't have a guideline or whatever and that's why the Rangers said he will play. It's just gonna "vanish" in the States.

 

[DownIsTheNewUp]

If anyone actually read the article. It's guidelines set by the Public Health Agency of Canada.

"The Public Health Agency of Canada has a list of people who are considered to be in the high-risk group for severe illness from contracting COVID-19, and diabetes is listed among the pre-existing conditions. Any doctor evaluating Domi would deem him unfit to play for this reason."

"Domi and the Canadiens would be able to seek a second opinion in this case, but the government guidelines are quite clear in this case. It seems as though he will not be able to join the team on the ice when Stage 3 begins in the coming days."

So the Canadiens would let him play but they have to abide by the guidelines set by the Canadian Government. So it's not the NHL or Canadiens sitting him just because, there's a valid reason.

As for Kakko, the US is a mess right now and probably don't have a guideline or whatever and that's why the Rangers said he will play. It's just gonna "vanish" in the States.

People have already shared several links in this thread with experts saying Type 1 diabetes is not an increased risk if it's well managed. If the Canadian health agency makes Domi sit out, then it appears they're the ones not listening to the science, not the Americans.

 

[bl02]

If anyone actually read the article. It's guidelines set by the Public Health Agency of Canada.

"The Public Health Agency of Canada has a list of people who are considered to be in the high-risk group for severe illness from contracting COVID-19, and diabetes is listed among the pre-existing conditions. Any doctor evaluating Domi would deem him unfit to play for this reason."

"Domi and the Canadiens would be able to seek a second opinion in this case, but the government guidelines are quite clear in this case. It seems as though he will not be able to join the team on the ice when Stage 3 begins in the coming days."

So the Canadiens would let him play but they have to abide by the guidelines set by the Canadian Government. So it's not the NHL or Canadiens sitting him just because, there's a valid reason.

As for Kakko, the US is a mess right now and probably don't have a guideline or whatever and that's why the Rangers said he will play. It's just gonna "vanish" in the States.

"they don't have a guildeline or whatever?" Huh? The Rangers will say he will play because they without any doubt have gotten the expertise of the best endocrinologists in the world.

No offense to the public health agency of Canada but I will take the word of some of the best endocrinologists in the world in Manhattan over a public health agency especially when involving a case by case basis.

 

[bl02]

If Domi wants to play an earn a living and he isn't allowed to play I feel bad because there probably won't be a vaccine for a while. Most likely Covid isn't going anywhere.