Domi may not be permitted to play...

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So if he is not going to be allowed to play now, what will make him be able to play when next season starts? This virus is never going away. Are they going to prevent him from playing next season as well?

I'm going to say the vaccine when it becomes available. Could be out half the regular season.
 

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Kunin from the Wild is also a diabetic, so he would also not be allowed to play in Canada if this news is true. If indeed the Canadian govt. disallows participation of diabetics in the playoffs then it would set off a major shitstorm, and open them up to charges of discrimination. I know they are trying to do the right thing, and Canada in general has done a decent job of fighting C-19, but is there any evidence that diabetics cause the spread of the disease more than the public at large? There are also all sorts of diseases and conditions that are risk factors besides diabetes than can be found among otherwise healthy people. Will the NHL be in charge of combing through the medical histories of all the participants in the playoffs (and that includes training staff, coaches, Black Aces, support staff, arena employees). We are probably talking thousands of people here....that's quite a chore.
 

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Kunin from the Wild is also a diabetic, so he would also not be allowed to play in Canada if this news is true. If indeed the Canadian govt. disallows participation of diabetics in the playoffs then it would set off a major shitstorm, and open them up to charges of discrimination. I know they are trying to do the right thing, and Canada in general has done a decent job of fighting C-19, but is there any evidence that diabetics cause the spread of the disease more than the public at large? There are also all sorts of diseases and conditions that are risk factors besides diabetes than can be found among otherwise healthy people. Will the NHL be in charge of combing through the medical histories of all the participants in the playoffs (and that includes training staff, coaches, Black Aces, support staff, arena employees). We are probably talking thousands of people here....that's quite a chore.
Has nothing to do with the government from what I can tell, the agreement between the NHL and NHLPA simply stipulates that at risk players will not be eligible and uses the Canadian Public Health Agency's criteria to determine what "at risk" would include. I imagine the reason isnt that diabetics could spread the illness, but the impact to a team with regards to insurance etc. if a vulnerable player became sick and missed significant time or, god forbid, passed away.
 

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Kunin from the Wild is also a diabetic, so he would also not be allowed to play in Canada if this news is true. If indeed the Canadian govt. disallows participation of diabetics in the playoffs then it would set off a major shitstorm, and open them up to charges of discrimination. I know they are trying to do the right thing, and Canada in general has done a decent job of fighting C-19, but is there any evidence that diabetics cause the spread of the disease more than the public at large? There are also all sorts of diseases and conditions that are risk factors besides diabetes than can be found among otherwise healthy people. Will the NHL be in charge of combing through the medical histories of all the participants in the playoffs (and that includes training staff, coaches, Black Aces, support staff, arena employees). We are probably talking thousands of people here....that's quite a chore.

Discrimination? I think not. Let's not jump so far so quickly.

If I had to guess, the lack of distinction between T1 and T2 is based off of a slightly broad sweep of at risk individuals and approaching the situation conservatively. If the general public can barely understand the distinction between T1 and T2, then perhaps the Canadian health guidelines was written more for a layman public. Better to be safe than sorry. This isn't because Canada has a 2nd rate healthcare and knowledge as some other posters are implying, but a safe than sorry broad approach. Furthermore, that list has probably been un-modified for months prior to when some of the research on T1 diabetes came out. If I am not mistaken, the information that others have posted is new and Canada health hasn't seen enough to be confident of the findings just yet. None of those articles/research are 100% certain that there is no additional risk related to T1 diabetes, but are willing to say there is a high likelihood there is no additional risk. I honestly don't know enough to have an opinion on what Canada Health believes. Just stating what I think is going on which is plausible.

I'm guessing if the league/organizations petitioned to have T1 diabetes exempt for professional sports and put forth the proposal to have professional athletes exempt plus put forth the research on T1 diabetes vs Covid 19 stating the risk isn't higher than the regular populace, I'm sure Canada Health would relent as a special circumstance. However, they'd possibly also require specific stipulations on those players to further research on T1 diabetes and Covid 19.

Alberta for instance has already started Serology studies on Covid 19 to try and identify antibodies and Alberta is the first Province in Canada to do so. I'm guessing the League/Canadiens/Domi/other T1 diabetics wouldn't have a huge issue in following those procedures or joining special studies like this if it was required by the Canadian government to grant them special status to be allowed to play?
 

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I am not criticizing the Canadians for their Covid response. The USA could learn a thing or two from them. I had to wonder at an earlier post dismissing Canadian medical expertise and response compared to what could be found in Manhattan, as if the past few months never existed.
 
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as long as it is only a few players here and there it is okay. No different than the normal injury factor that affects playoffs every year, and no reason to view it as anythig different than that.
 
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It sure sounds like “diabetes” is being lumped into one common category, when the data are actually showing that there is a subset of poorly controlled diabetes, or comorbid obesity and/or hypertension that are the at risk population. I don’t think Domi is probably at unusual risk. I am assuming that as a professional athlete he has lived a life of meticulous management of his diabetes in order to practice and be in good enough shape to play pro hockey. I think this policy is pretty clumsy and Domi should easily win an appeal if it comes to that.

Exactly. Correlation does not equal causation.
 

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the problem with these narratives is that there's never a way to prove it wrong. No matter who wins the draft lottery, there will be a perfectly cohesive narrative for why the league rigged it for them.

Maybe Montreal fans should be worrying that it will be rigged against them, just so the league doesn't appear to be rigging lotteries! :laugh:

Ehh, I feel like if Minny or Columbus won nobody would care or accuse the NHL of a conspiracy theory
 
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I don’t get how Kakko/Domi would be more safe living regular life and going out, than playing hockey in a protective bubble with 24/7 access to world class medical care.
 

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The study shows that two thirds (65%) of COVID-19 patients with diabetes admitted to hospital are men, and the average age of all patients is 70 years. Worse blood sugar control did not seem to impact a patient's outcome, however the presence of diabetic complications and increasing age increase the risk of death, and increased BMI is associated with both increased risk of needing mechanical ventilation and with increased risk of death.
The CORONADO study analysed 1,317 patients admitted to 53 French hospitals (public and private) between 10 and 31 March 2020. The majority of hospitalised subjects had type 2 diabetes (89%) while only 3% had type 1 diabetes, with other types of diabetes in the remaining cases. In 3% of cases, diabetes was actually diagnosed during hospitalisation for COVID-19.

Microvascular complications (eye, kidney and nerves) were found in 47% of the subjects in the study, while macrovascular complications (arteries of the heart, brain, legs) were present in 41% of the patients analysed. Across all patients in this study, by day 7 one in five (20.3%) had been intubated and placed on a ventilator in intensive care, and one in 10 (10.3%) had died. A further 18% had been discharged home at this point.

The presence of microvascular or macrovascular complications each more than doubled the risk of death at day 7. Advanced age also substantially increased the risk of death, with the group of patients aged 75 years and more than 14 times more likely to die than younger patients aged under 55 years, while patients 65-74 years old were three times more likely to die than those under 55 years. The presence of the respiratory condition obstructive sleep apnoea almost tripled the risk of death at 7 days, as did the presence of dyspnoea symptoms (shortness of breath).

Increasing BMI raised the risk of reaching the combined primary outcome of the study (intubation/ventilation or death at day 7). Women were 25% less likely to reach the combined primary endpoint than men (a result that had borderline statistical significance). However, when looking at death only, men were not statistically more likely to die at day 7 than women.
The authors say: "The risk factors for severe form of COVID-19 are identical to those found in the general population: age and BMI."
They add: "Elderly populations with long-term diabetes with advanced diabetic complications and/or treated obstructive sleep apnoea were particularly at risk of early death, and might require specific management to avoid infection with the novel coronavirus. BMI also appears as an independent prognostic factor for COVID-19 severity in the population living with diabetes requiring hospital admission. The link between obesity and COVID-19 requires further study."

First study of COVID-19 patients with diabetes shows that 10% die within seven days of hospital admission

It seems that Obesity is the real risk here, but it’s more PC to broadly refer to it as Diabetes; even though it’s nearly exclusively Type-2.

A 19 year old professional athlete with type-1 diabetes who will only be around people who are in a very strict quarantine with 24/7 access to testing & some of the best medical professionals in the world; is at an INCREDIBLY low risk. He would be much more likely to get it if he didn’t play and continues to go about life and interact with people who aren’t isolating.
 
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Why do they need to go out in a pandemic?
It seems like most players are, I believe Kakko was practising with some other players already. And even if he were staying home with his parents, his parents are going places, they’re bringing groceries and interacting with people who interacted with hundreds of other people. The bubble seems like the safest place to be.
 

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And the tanking begins, NHL was really stupid to do the draft like this, the should have at least waited until the play in rounds were over or even the entire playoffs
 

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Kakko has type 1 diabetes too and the Rangers organization has said he’s playing.
Type 1 diabetes (especially in a young professional athlete) does not present any risk.

there was a 23 year old diabetic professional soccer player who died... Curious did you just come up with that yourself or did you actually look that up somewhere?
 

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To forbid Domi to play because of his diabetes would be ridicolous imo. However if he chooses to sit out by himself that's something you got to respect. Being sick as a type 1 diabetic do affect the blood sugar levels during that period and diabetes itself weakens the immune system, but not enough to forbid someone imo.
 
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I am not criticizing the Canadians for their Covid response. The USA could learn a thing or two from them. I had to wonder at an earlier post dismissing Canadian medical expertise and response compared to what could be found in Manhattan, as if the past few months never existed.
Yes Manhattan has some of the best Endocrinologists and Infectious disease specialists in the world (as I am sure Montreal does). Not sure what that has to do with the last few months. With money being no object those are the doctors the teams will be consulting with not a government agency.
 

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Could you provide a link about this soccer player? And I pasted a study about Diabetes & Covid few posts up

It’s weird how little articles there are about this. Here is the case. This article which is the only one I could find in English doesn’t mention her being diabetic. When I first read a separate article back in February it was mentioned right in the opening.

anyways here it is.

Football Games To Continue In Iran As Female Player Dies Of Coronavirus


Also while searching found this. 11 athletes died in Iran. Diabetic or not it’s kinda dumb to ask any athlete to play right now...

Eleven Athletes In Iran Have Died Of Coronavirus Infection

I am in good shape. However I still find this mentality of questioning the viruses impact stupid. There’s so little to lose from avoiding it and so much to lose by putting yourself in harms way.

it is a new virus and everyone takes it differently. Athlete or not.

we also don’t know the long term mutations of it yet

as for your post above. Don’t forget diabetes is controlled before you get sick and that’s great. After you get sick it is not controlled as easily. It also impairs you’re immune system so the recovery is much longer and you lead yourself to more complications. Athlete or not, your posts only really talks about HBS but LBS is actually more dangerous when you’re sick to a diabetic
 

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Damn you need to be careful but give the man a chance to do some testing to prove his fitness or something idk.
 

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It’s weird how little articles there are about this. Here is the case. This article which is the only one I could find in English doesn’t mention her being diabetic. When I first read a separate article back in February it was mentioned right in the opening.

anyways here it is.

Football Games To Continue In Iran As Female Player Dies Of Coronavirus


Also while searching found this. 11 athletes died in Iran. Diabetic or not it’s kinda dumb to ask any athlete to play right now...

Eleven Athletes In Iran Have Died Of Coronavirus Infection

I am in good shape. However I still find this mentality of questioning the viruses impact stupid. There’s so little to lose from avoiding it and so much to lose by putting yourself in harms way.

it is a new virus and everyone takes it differently. Athlete or not.

we also don’t know the long term mutations of it yet

as for your post above. Don’t forget diabetes is controlled before you get sick and that’s great. After you get sick it is not controlled as easily. It also impairs you’re immune system so the recovery is much longer and you lead yourself to more complications. Athlete or not, your posts only really talks about HBS but LBS is actually more dangerous when you’re sick to a diabetic
Oh my God this virus is gonna kill us all!!! We are doomed, let hide under our beds :sarcasm:
 

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Kunin from the Wild is also a diabetic, so he would also not be allowed to play in Canada if this news is true. If indeed the Canadian govt. disallows participation of diabetics in the playoffs then it would set off a major shitstorm, and open them up to charges of discrimination. I know they are trying to do the right thing, and Canada in general has done a decent job of fighting C-19, but is there any evidence that diabetics cause the spread of the disease more than the public at large? There are also all sorts of diseases and conditions that are risk factors besides diabetes than can be found among otherwise healthy people. Will the NHL be in charge of combing through the medical histories of all the participants in the playoffs (and that includes training staff, coaches, Black Aces, support staff, arena employees). We are probably talking thousands of people here....that's quite a chore.
I disagree. If there's a legit health risk to these players, they should not play. Who cares about this game if livelihood is at stake. If the science is wrong, then better safe than sorry. It'll suck if a Cup win is tainted by missing players. It'd be worse if a player and his family became infected, or worse, died. This isn't comparable to ethnic discrimination.
 

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From what I understand, having Type 1 and maintaining your levels as you always have should have no effect on your likelihood to contract Covid-19. However, having Type 1 could present a greater risk if you do in fact catch Covid-19.
 
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