I mean we fundamentally disagree on whether a player who achieves milestones over a long period should get in or not.
Andreychuk is decent "Hall" comparable. I still think Gartner is too but you disagree. Recently Phil Housley was inducted. I see him in a similar light. Dino is not a bad comparable either. Again no one is saying Marleau is a sure fire Hall of Famer but there is a bottom tier that has already been established and I feel he fits there.
As someone else has mentioned I do think the Hall will like the fact that he played as long as he did for an expansion team. I think that, being generally considered a good guy and his tenure and milestones are enough to get him in eventually.
Well what puts Gartner out of the comparison is his 700 goals. That’s not the same as 500, not even 600. Marleau doesn’t have any achievement like that, it alone puts Gartner in some elite company. I don’t understand why that keeps being pushed.
Housley was a bad induction....BUT as an American and defenseman, his stats are extremely superior compared to his peers. That’s ultimately what got him in. Again, something Marleau sorely lacks. Your right though, Dino is a good comparison, but still very weak. IMO Dino shouldn’t be anywhere near the Hall and I’m not going to continue entertaining or justifying Marleau as a HOF based on Dino, that’s acruallt really sad for Marleau.
If he would have stuck around with the sharks, I feel that would have helped his case. The irony is being in Toronto has him seeing a lot of HOF buzz based on his recent achievements.
Are you asking what is significant about scoring 550+ goals, 1150+ points, playing 1600+ games, winning 2 olympics gold medals, etc? If you don't understand this significance, then I can't help you... I'm osrry.
People don't talk about most players 15-20 years after they make the HHOF. Who is Clark Gillies? Rod Langway? Bernie Federko, etc? "Player memorability" is not a criteria on who should or shouldn't be in the HHOF...
Games played is not the only stat where Marleau is in elite company with though... but you can pretend that if you'd like.
You don't get it, do yo? Career averages aren't all that significant. Best single season totals are not all that significant... Heck, its not even about "Who is better than who"... Its the career totals that are significant, and ultimately show a player's overall contribution to the game of hockey. Using career averages is a disservice to players with longer careers like Marleau and Brind'Amour, because of course productivity decreases with age.
Brind'Amour likely will get to the HHOF in my opinion, so that kind of defeats your point a little bit. I'm not suggesting Marleau is a better than any of these players on this list either... but I think his career acheivements are more impressive. What about that, don't you understand?
Yes that’s exactly what I’m asking. If he was so significant and so impactful, maybe you would have a better answer, but you don’t....further making my claim correct. They are great and very proud achievements, but your really reaching calling HIM a significant player in NHL history. He isn’t, that’s the problem.
I mean very random set of names, but still.....Langway is one of the greatest defensive defenseman in history, Gillies was a tough guy who could play and won 4 cups with the Islanders(still a weak induction). And Federko isn’t in the Hall.....and he wasn’t exactly a stand out with a long career either. What is Marleaus legacy? Being a good guy with good character who was able to play a long time?
Career averages tell a lot of about a player regardless. Continue to refute that, but an average 58 point center/winger with little to no defensive game overall isn’t exactly knocking down the doors of the Hall for their play. Marleau hasn’t been a significant player in 5 years, he is literally sticking around long enough to be a bottom 6 guy who can still score at a decent pace. He’s that much closer to being a compiler.
But he isn’t is he? And he hasn’t been in the conversation, has he? So if he isn’t in, when he obviously has more of a chance.....what’s Marleaus claim to fame? What makes you think he will?
If he ever did get inducted, all it would say to others is as long as you stick around long enough to rack up goals and point totals at a very insignificant rate, while being a great guy....you have a shot at the Hall. And it will have to be an EXTREMELY weak year, further showing everyone that the Hall had to lower their standards in order to induct a man who’s talent isn’t HOF worth.