Does Dubas have the power to make a coaching change?

[93LEAFS]

If Management wants to change the Head Coach, they will do it by asking Babcock to take another job in the organization.

If he refuses, and wants to continue coaching in the NHL, he'll have to resign his position, otherwise he sits.

Well, that's if there is no protection against this in his contract!

If management wants to fire Babcock, they will have to go to George Cope and Joe Natale, and they will decide.

A team that is owned by two publically traded companies, cannot fire an employee who is owed 30 million without strong reason. They don't give that power to two people who make less than him unilaterally.

 

[Al14]

If management wants to fire Babcock, they will have to go to George Cope and Joe Natale, and they will decide.

A team that is owned by two publically traded companies, cannot fire an employee who is owed 30 million without strong reason. They don't give that power to two people who make less than him unilaterally.

Thanks Captain Obvious! It was a given that Board permission would be needed!

 

[93LEAFS]

Thanks Captain Obvious! It was a given that Board permission would be needed!

Except people here are arguing multiple times that Dubas can fire Babcock on whim, when that absolutely isn't the case. Hell, he could even lose out a power struggle in that case, similar to how Murray overthrew Lafontaine, or Tippett overthrew Maloney.

 

[BodaciousBeefBazooka]

Of course he does but why would he? Every coach has flaws and nobody is perfect.

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

Perhaps to some extent. It's definitely a big financial commitment, but I think the situation he walked into is the reason for the money and term. It was looking to be a potentially lengthy process to move things forward. Playoffs were achieved quickly. Now, it's about success in the playoffs. I think Babcock's job only becomes tenuous if we have back-to-back seasons of regression, or a few years of stagnation.

I think ownership would absorb the hit if change is needed in less than five years from now. For the sake of team success, I hope it isn't.

Oh totally don't get me wrong I'm not saying Babcock can't be fired. He just can't be fired without ownerships approval.

 

[93LEAFS]

Oh totally don't get me wrong I'm not saying Babcock can't be fired. He just can't be fired without ownerships approval.

Yeah, I don't think anyone is saying Babs can't be fired, but Dubas will need a damn strong case to take to the board, or at the very least Friisdahl.

 

[Craig Button]

He has the power to tell Shanahan that he wants to fire Babcock.
Shanahan has the power to say NO! and YOU'RE FIRED!

 

[Al14]

He has the power to tell Shanahan that he wants to fire Babcock.
Shanahan has the power to say NO! and YOU'RE FIRED!

I highly doubt that Shanahan would fire Dubas! I think he respects Dubas enough to at least bring the Dubas proposal, to fire Babcock, to the MLSE Board of Directors.

If Dubas wanted to fire Babcock, he would have made sure his ducks were all in a row before tabling the idea. Dubas isn't an idiot, he would have a solid plan to replace the coach he wanted fired!

 

[81Leafs50]

Even Shanahan doesn't have the power to just fire Babcock. A decision this big goes to the MLSE board. They may side with him, but they may not. When Babcock makes more money than both Shanahan and Dubas, it isn't fully there call. No one has that type of autonomy.

Again! this is pure conjecture. He who hires has the ability to fire!

 

[81Leafs50]

no brendan shanahan would never allow him to replace babcock

wrong

 

[ACC1224]

Again! this is pure conjecture. He who hires has the ability to fire!

Ability to recommend it.
Approval to throw away that much money would be required from the Board to execute the recommendation.

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

Again! this is pure conjecture. He who hires has the ability to fire!

That's not how multi billion dollar companies work. He can't fire Babcock because he feels like it.

 

[Deadly Dogma]

OT but does anyone know why Pits is picking ahead of us? Didn't they go out in the 2nd round?

 

[93LEAFS]

OT but does anyone know why Pits is picking ahead of us? Didn't they go out in the 2nd round?

Only draft spots slotted by where you finish in the playoffs are 28,29,30 and 31. Teams that go out in the 2nd keep their regular season slot.

 

[93LEAFS]

I love how someone here is calling other peoples opinion conjecture, but then offering an opinion based on the same incomplete information.

 

[hotpaws]

Again! this is pure conjecture. He who hires has the ability to fire!

and that statement is true for Shanny as well

anyone who believes a rookie GM can walk in and fire a coach with a rep like Babs because um he feels like it is very naive

and if the team heads south under Dubas it'll be all there heads (Shanny/Dubas/Babs) on the chopping block

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

I love how someone here is calling other peoples opinion conjecture, but then offering an opinion based on the same incomplete information.

Yeah simple fact is no one actually knows but the evidence definitely slants it towards he would need board approval. That doesn't mean he can't get that approval but why people think he could just wake up and decide to burn 30 million dollars without talking to anyone, that doesn't make any sense.

 

[Deadly Dogma]

Only draft spots slotted by where you finish in the playoffs are 28,29,30 and 31. Teams that go out in the 2nd keep their regular season slot.

thank you

 

[81Leafs50]

That's not how multi billion dollar companies work. He can't fire Babcock because he feels like it.

no one is saying you fire a guy just cause you feel like it. But if a situation arises where a Babcock firing is warranted then he's gone. simple as that. Whether its shanahan who does it or Dubas it doesnt matter.

 

[81Leafs50]

Ability to recommend it.
Approval to throw away that much money would be required from the Board to execute the recommendation.

again people make up stuff they hear on sports talk radio they know nothing about. I work in a billion dollar company. THE BOARD OF GOVERNERS only get together for HUGE items. not firing of employees.

 

[ACC1224]

again people make up stuff they hear on sports talk radio they know nothing about. I work in a billion dollar company. THE BOARD OF GOVERNERS only get together for HUGE items. not firing of employees.

Perhaps that's your confusion. The removal of a storied Coach with that much term and money owing would be a HUGE item.

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

no one is saying you fire a guy just cause you feel like it. But if a situation arises where a Babcock firing is warranted then he's gone. simple as that. Whether its shanahan who does it or Dubas it doesnt matter.

It absolutely matters, the whole premise of this discussion is "can Dubas unilaterally fire Babcock.?" If a firing was warranted he would make case and it would almost certainly go to the board to decide. That doesn't mean Dubas doesn't have any power, I'm pretty sure Lou would have had to do the same thing. Dubas and Lou both work for MLSE, they aren't kings.

 

[81Leafs50]

Perhaps that's your confusion. The removal of a storied Coach with that much term and money owing would be a HUGE item.

AGAIN the board of governess are too busy holding "think tanks" in the Bahamas and golfing. lol You think they care about your resume or history when your neck ends up on the block?

 

[ACC1224]

AGAIN the board of governess are too busy holding "think tanks" in the Bahamas and golfing. lol You think they care about your resume or history when your neck ends up on the block?

They do care about the money being wasted and the public perception that will go along with it.
Do you believe anything needs to be run by the Board?

 

[93LEAFS]

AGAIN the board of governess are too busy holding "think tanks" in the Bahamas and golfing. lol You think they care about your resume or history when your neck ends up on the block?

4 of the 5 Board seats for the Leafs are controlled by George Cope and Ralph Natale. Who both live in Toronto and run Bell (Cope) and Rogers (Natale). This isn't a typical Board where the board is controlled by cronies loyal to the CEO. The decision goes to Natale and Cope, Cope is the person who organized the firing of Burke.