Do you think Dubas risks losing Keefe to keep Babcock a little longer?

[biotk]

Ha. Babs ain’t working with a “coach in waiting”.

Babs doesn't work with anyone. But if I was Keefe I would never consider working under Babcock. He should just accept another NHL head coaching offer if Dubas won't free up the head coaching job for the Leafs.

 

[18leafsfan18]

The Leafs' poor performance this year in the second half and in the playoffs is on Babcock.

The Leafs' poor performance next year if they keep Babcock as head coach (and it will be a poor performance) will be on Dubas.

Risk either way. Dubas needs to show that he deserves the GM job by getting the proper coach for this team.

Why would a poor performance next year be on Dubas ?

If Babcock coaches the same way wouldn't it be on him again ?

 

[horner]

If leaves we don't need a rookie coach.

 

[ULF_55]

Ha. Babs ain’t working with a “coach in waiting”.

He can quit then.

Babcock has burnt his good will.

 

[biotk]

Why would a poor performance next year be on Dubas ?

If Babcock coaches the same way wouldn't it be on him again ?

Fool me one shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.

If Dubas keeps the coach after Babs has proven time and time again that he is wrong for this team then the poor performance next year is all on Dubas.

 

[Trapper]

Why would a poor performance next year be on Dubas ?

If Babcock coaches the same way wouldn't it be on him again ?

Yes and no.
If you are a GM, what the coach does is on you as well.
You are responsible.

 

[Its not your fault]

If Keefe signs with somewhere else he can still later sign with the leafs. Not everyone is given 8 year contracts.

 

[Loosie]

I could see him being promoted to a coaching position under Babcock, but above other assistants.

Not sure, perhaps as an associate coach, or some sloppy title that lets him know where he is in the pecking order.

Perhaps Next Head Coach.

Either way I don't think he want to lose Keefe just yet.

 

[Loosie]

If Keefe signs with somewhere else he can still later sign with the leafs. Not everyone is given 8 year contracts.

I mean the same happened with Eakins, and that was a good thing....

 

[Nineteen67]

He can quit then.

Babcock has burnt his good will.

And he ain’t doin that either.

 

[Bomber0104]

If leaves we don't need a rookie coach.

Rookie coach and a year 2 GM..

What could go wrong there?

 

[biotk]

If leaves we don't need a rookie coach.

The quality of a coach has little to do with how long he has kicked around the NHL. You wonder why people say that there are few good options with NHL experience? It is because NHL teams play too much musical chairs with failed NHL coaches instead of bringing in coaches who have proven themselves in other leagues.

 

[Its not your fault]

I mean the same happened with Eakins, and that was a good thing....

Yes that was I think he was still mpre successful as a coach then ever as a player though lol. I remeber the days he was our 7th 8th defencemen.

 

[18leafsfan18]

Fool me one shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.

If Dubas keeps the coach after Babs has proven time and time again that he is wrong for this team then the poor performance next year is all on Dubas.

Yes and no.
If you are a GM, what the coach does is on you as well.
You are responsible.

I see. Makes sense.

 

[killer1980]

The Leafs' poor performance this year in the second half and in the playoffs is on Babcock.

The Leafs' poor performance next year if they keep Babcock as head coach (and it will be a poor performance) will be on Dubas.

Risk either way. Dubas needs to show that he deserves the GM job by getting the proper coach for this team.

And the proper team for this coach. The playoffs are a whole different game. All the slick skating, goal scoring teams got eliminated. Teams with players that pay the price and get their jerseys dirty are always the winners when the playoffs come. This team is built for success over an 82 game schedule, not a short 7 game series.

 

[Nineteen67]

Babs doesn't work with anyone. But if I was Keefe I would never consider working under Babcock. He should just accept another NHL head coaching offer if Dubas won't free up the head coaching job for the Leafs.

And if he really wants to stay with Dubas he can always take a little extra on the paycheque and see how next year turns out.

 

[ULF_55]

And he ain’t doin that either.

I agree.

Tough love. He doesn't have to like it. He's just another coach.

His record in winning isn't really any more impressive than many other coaches.

He's overpaid because the Leafs have a tonne of money and wanted to make a statement with his signing.

He's done his job but today I don't see him as the reason the Leafs made the playoffs, but perhaps the reason they didn't win in the playoffs.

 

[18leafsfan18]

And the proper team for this coach. The playoffs are a whole different game. All the slick skating, goal scoring teams got eliminated. Teams with players that pay the price and get their jerseys dirty are always the winners when the playoffs come. This team is built for success over an 82 game schedule, not a short 7 game series.

You obviously did not watch the games if you think this was due to "getting jerseys dirty".

Take a look at the teams left. Do you honestly think that the grittier teams got through ?

 

[napoleon in rags]

Had the leafs lost without the year-long special teams being abysmal, eyebrow-raising ice times, puzzling line combos, and questionable player usage then the loss would perhaps have been written off as bad luck. As it stands I think his head is on the block.

 

[deletethis]

Babs doesn't work with anyone. But if I was Keefe I would never consider working under Babcock. He should just accept another NHL head coaching offer if Dubas won't free up the head coaching job for the Leafs.

Keefe can't be too choosy. He owes Dubas the world. He's lucky he wasn't blackballed from hockey.

 

[killer1980]

You obviously did not watch the games if you think this was due to "getting jerseys dirty".

Take a look at the teams left. Do you honestly think that the grittier teams got through ?

Yep and I've seen every game almost.

 

[biotk]

And the proper team for this coach. The playoffs are a whole different game. All the slick skating, goal scoring teams got eliminated. Teams with players that pay the price and get their jerseys dirty are always the winners when the playoffs come. This team is built for success over an 82 game schedule, not a short 7 game series.

This team played far below a wild card level for the second half the season. This team's PP and PK problems started well before the playoffs. The usage issues have always existed. This wasn't like Tampa running up against a late surging team while suffering from injuries and bad luck. Boston didn't play well and they didn't need to.

 

[18leafsfan18]

Yep and I've seen every game almost.

So in watching those games you think Boston was far more gritty ?

Dallas is grittier then Nashville ?

St Louis is grittier then Winnipeg ?

Colarado is grittier then Calgary ?

San Jose is grittier then Vegas ?

 

[biotk]

Keefe can't be too choosy. He owes Dubas the world. He's lucky he wasn't blackballed from hockey.

NHL teams that are interested in winning will care about coaching performance history and have no problem offering Keefe a head coaching job.

 

[biotk]

Had the leafs lost without the year-long special teams being abysmal, eyebrow-raising ice times, puzzling line combos, and questionable player usage then the loss would perhaps have been written off as bad luck. As it stands I think his head is on the block.

It definitely should be.