Disregarding salary, who is the ideal winger for Crosby?

[JTG]

I'm with Jacob

 

[Scandale du Jour]

Ovechkin is the best right-shooting winger in the game and he has been for some time and he will be for some time more. There's nothing more to it than that. He and Sid would flat out dominate and along with Kunitz would be the best line in hockey. Elias... please.

Have you ever watch Ovechkin play the game? His style doesn't mesh with Sid's, that's pretty obvious. They would produce, but he is far from the best fit possible. There is more to hockey than scoring goals you know. Sid is a 200-feet player and he excels with other 200-feet players.

 

[JTG]

Have you ever watch Ovechkin play the game? His style doesn't mesh with Sid's, that's pretty obvious. They would produce, but he is far from the best fit possible. There is more to hockey than scoring goals you know. Sid is a 200-feet player and he excels with other 200-feet players.

Meh. Having a guy who is naturally pass first defer to a guy who is naturally shoot first, and has an ability to find areas to get shots off better than most...yeah, that'd be pretty awesome to watch.

And AO isn't bad defensively.

 

[Coach Travis]

And AO isn't bad defensively.

-5 tonight. Just FYI.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

Meh. Having a guy who is naturally pass first defer to a guy who is naturally shoot first, and has an ability to find areas to get shots off better than most...yeah, that'd be pretty awesome to watch.

And AO isn't bad defensively.

There is "bad" and then there is Ovechkin bad. He is a liability when he doesn't have the puck. It has gotten worse in the last two years. Ironically, his numbers have risen since then.

 

[#66]

There is "bad" and then there is Ovechkin bad. He is a liability when he doesn't have the puck. It has gotten worse in the last two years. Ironically, his numbers have risen since then.

I don't even care about defense that much. He doesn't even give his defensemen an out, he seems like he's turned a bad situation into a worse one in Washington and he's a fat ass.

He doesn't control plays, doesn't make his line mates better and the last time I checked he was well into Dec with only 1 even strength assist. I'm hoping that last one is some bad info I've gotten but it wouldn't surprise me in the least.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

I don't even care about defense that much. He doesn't even give his defensemen an out, he seems like he's turned a bad situation into a worse one in Washington and he's a fat ass.

He doesn't control plays, doesn't make his line mates better and the last time I checked he was well into Dec with only 1 even strength assist. I'm hoping that last one is some bad info I've gotten but it wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Oh he was stuck at one before getting one against MTL last Saturday

He must be at 3 or 4 now. Still that's pretty pathetic for a guy of his skill level.

 

[PensPlz]

Pure fantasy: Corey Perry - Not sure I need to explain.

Realistic Cap: Dustin Brown. His style of play and speed would compliment that RW spot. Kuntiz has proven he can finish, Brown can create a lot of space, win the gritty battles and consistently puts up 20+ on a team that lacks offense. Huge plus for when we plays teams like Boston.

Letang for Brown+

 

[Waffle Fries]

If Shero traded Letang for Dustin Brown he should be fired on the spot. Brown is barely better than Dupuis at this point and that contract is atrocious.

 

[PensPlz]

I disagree. Brown's game is pretty effective. Not talking about scoring potential, which will probably explode playing with Sid, just overall playing capability. 5.8 isn't a terrible cap. And yeah, the Kings would have to add.

 

[Waffle Fries]

I disagree. Brown's game is pretty effective. Not talking about scoring potential, which will probably explode playing with Sid, just overall playing capability. 5.8 isn't a terrible cap. And yeah, the Kings would have to add.

I'm talking about overall playing capability as well. Brown hits a lot, but he has the skillset of a third liner. That's why he's currently playing on the King's third line.

And what is essentially 5.9M for 8 years for a guy that's already regressing is pretty bad.

 

[ObsessedCreative*]

If Shero traded Letang for Dustin Brown he should be fired on the spot. Brown is barely better than Dupuis at this point and that contract is atrocious.

This is 100% truth and this coming from someone who just watched him play 10 rows from the ice.

He has been HORRIBAD!

 

[#66]

This is 100% truth and this coming from someone who just watched him play 10 rows from the ice.

He has been HORRIBAD!

How good is Kope though? I wouldn't be surprised if he wins a Selke one day.

What do you guys think of Vanek? Elite hands but there's just something that makes me think he wouldn't fit the Pens style. Moulson too.

 

[Your Boy Troy]

I have to agree with Waffle Fries. I'd love a player like Brent Burns playing on the right side with Crosby. He has the talent offensively, the size, the grit, and his skating ability.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

I'm sorry but Crosby's ideal winger is not a 200-foot player. Ovechkin or Stamkos would challenge Gretzky's 92 if they had Crosby at center for 82 games. Crosby can work with a lot of different levels of talent on his wing, different styles, etc. But ideal? A guy who can just flat-out score goals would be sick with Sid.

Come on people.

 

[ObsessedCreative*]

How good is Kope though? I wouldn't be surprised if he wins a Selke one day.

What do you guys think of Vanek? Elite hands but there's just something that makes me think he wouldn't fit the Pens style. Moulson too.

Both are too slow IMHO and not to mention, MM especially, are pretty 1 dimensional and if they aren't scoring they aren't doing much and often times hurting the team. Not to mention Vanek is way too expensive and I would never want to pay MM $$$ or term he will be seeking. No to both.

 

[Coach Travis]

I know it's not fashionable or popular but Dustin Byfuglien. Just stand in front of the net and pre-occupy a defender or two and give Sid more room. Also, he can police anyone who's going to **** with Sid.

 

[Ogrezilla]

I'm sorry but Crosby's ideal winger is not a 200-foot player. Ovechkin or Stamkos would challenge Gretzky's 92 if they had Crosby at center for 82 games. Crosby can work with a lot of different levels of talent on his wing, different styles, etc. But ideal? A guy who can just flat-out score goals would be sick with Sid.

Come on people.

Parise and Perry are also really good goal scorers.

 

[JTG]

-5 tonight. Just FYI.

So? +/- is the most irrelevant stat

There is "bad" and then there is Ovechkin bad. He is a liability when he doesn't have the puck. It has gotten worse in the last two years. Ironically, his numbers have risen since then.

He has definitely gotten worse in the last 2 years, and a lot of that is just because he's not motivated. I've seen a motivated AO, and he can be a puck hound on a backcheck when he's feeling it.

AO needs a change of scenery I think. And let's be serious, does Sid's ideal winger have to be a stellar defensive player? He really doesn't.

 

[specialized]

Corey Perry

This

 

[SteelFish87*]

Have you ever watch Ovechkin play the game? His style doesn't mesh with Sid's, that's pretty obvious. They would produce, but he is far from the best fit possible. There is more to hockey than scoring goals you know. Sid is a 200-feet player and he excels with other 200-feet players.

Actually OV would be the best possible winger for Crosby for obvious reasons

 

[Waffle Fries]

Actually OV would be the best possible winger for Crosby for obvious reasons

Actually their playing style wouldn't mesh at all. It's not just about scoring goals.

 

[Tender Rip]

I like that we are not just making absolute statements and hitting each other over the head with those. Great discussion...

Personally, I think Crosby and Ovechkin are too individually talented not to be frequently awesome together. For the Pens as a team though, I think there are a few other players who would do more for us to win hockey games in general and not least when it matters. Also as regards helping Sid fight through tough defensive matchups.

 

[ColePens]

People don't give credit for Ovy's speed but I would love to see THAT w/ Sid's speed. Yikes... defenses would be pissing themselves.

I'm still sticking with Perry because I want to see those two in a playoff series cycling around the best d-men/shutdown forwards the game has to offer. My GOD it would be sexy.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

People don't give credit for Ovy's speed but I would love to see THAT w/ Sid's speed. Yikes... defenses would be pissing themselves.

I'm still sticking with Perry because I want to see those two in a playoff series cycling around the best d-men/shutdown forwards the game has to offer. My GOD it would be sexy.

OV for Letang.

Ray Ray, get it done.