Blue Jays Discussion: Dioner Navarro: The Anti-JP.

[Canada4Gold]

The game tonight doesn't actually piss me off like most of the games lately has. Games like this will happen, we got decent pitching, Hutch just couldn't get out of trouble when someone got on. The offense sucked but that will happen.

It's the embarrassing bullpen implosions that annoy me. Without the ones we've had this year we're easily over .500 with numerous players playing below their potential.

I am pissed off but it's more residual anger from yesterday and the past 2 weeks than because of tonights loss

 

[TootooTrain]

Melky xrays were negative. Still think we'll see Gose up soon.

The game tonight doesn't actually piss me off like most of the games lately has. Games like this will happen, we got decent pitching, Hutch just couldn't get out of trouble when someone got on. The offense sucked but that will happen.

It's the embarrassing bullpen implosions that annoy me. Without the ones we've had this year we're easily over .500 with numerous players playing below their potential.

I am pissed off but it's more residual anger from yesterday and the past 2 weeks than because of tonights loss

Ditto. It was a series of excellent pitching on KC's part tonight. I'll take this one to the chest if we stop giving the other team the win like yesterday.

 

[Woodman19]

Like I have said all year, the Jays beat themselves. They are generally always in games but its the constant fundamentals like giving 5-6 free base runners a game via walks that come back to bite us in the ass.

 

[Canada4Gold]

I still don't get how he isn't up already. Like I know I shudder at the thought of losing a useless player like Sierra for nothing, like all the 0 tears I shed when we lost Jeffress. Get him up here already

 

[weems]

I still don't get how he isn't up already. Like I know I shudder at the thought of losing a useless player like Sierra for nothing, like all the 0 tears I shed when we lost Jeffress. Get him up here already

Thats one of AA's worst traits.
He gets obssessed over losing marginal talents and doesnt field the best team possible because of it. That and his total inability to understand that a bench is important. In season roster management has been terrible the past few years.

 

[canucksfan]

Basically all offseason you were defending this team.

You've done a total 180 after 27 games.

It's basically the same team as last year finding ways to lose. The starters have been terrible.

Only difference is the defense is improved but the bullpen worse.

 

[Canada4Gold]

On the bright side the starters have all went fairly deep in the last 3 games and I'll assume Buerhle will do the same tomorrow. Lets hope they keep it up, and the bullpens starts sorting itself out if their workload decreases a little. One can only hope.

 

[canucksfan]

Thats one of AA's worst traits.
He gets obssessed over losing marginal talents and doesnt field the best team possible because of it. That and his total inability to understand that a bench is important. In season roster management has been terrible the past few years.

I'm surprised he still hasn't learned that a bench is important.

 

[weems]

I'm surprised he still hasn't learned that a bench is important.

Sierra, Diaz, Thole

 

[canucksfan]

Sierra, Diaz, Thole

Then when injuries occur we bring in piles of suck.

 

[Schennanigans]

That bench is hideous. Sierra is an automatic out. Why is he here?

 

[canucksfan]

That bench is hideous. Sierra is an automatic out. Why is he here?

He has no options, Gose has options. AA 'logic'.

Gose is doing poorly too in AAA.

That Halladay trade is horrible right now. Drabek at best will be a reliever, Gose looks like a bench player and TDA we traded away.

 

[Eyedea]

Thole has been good though

 

[weems]

The funny thing is everyone ripped on Marlins management for trading away what they did. In hindsight it actually looks like a really prudent move.

J Johnson was downright horrific last season and just had arm surgery.
Reyes is a good player but very injury prone and very expensive.
Buerhle a solid backend starter but crazy expensive.
Bonifacio 2 american league teams gave up on him.

Not saying we lost the trade or im whining about what we gave up but we've got very minimal return on that trade. The funniest thing is Buerhle has been the best asset and he was prolly seen as somewhat of a salary dump (trade talks started off with JJ and Reyes was AA's favorite player).

Marlins actually look like a very exciting young team with 2 of the best young players in the game (Fernandez/Stanton) and solid farm system and no really bad contracts.

 

[canucksfan]

Thole has been good though

He has been a nice surprise.

The funny thing is everyone ripped on Marlins management for trading away what they did. In hindsight it actually looks like a really prudent move.

J Johnson was downright horrific last season and just had arm surgery.
Reyes is a good player but very injury prone and very expensive.
Buerhle a solid backend starter but crazy expensive.
Bonifacio 2 american league teams gave up on him.

Not saying we lost the trade or im whining about what we gave up but we've got very minimal return on that trade. The funniest thing is Buerhle has been the best asset and he was prolly seen as somewhat of a salary dump (trade talks started off with JJ and Reyes was AA's favorite player).

Marlins actually look like a very exciting young team with 2 of the best young players in the game (Fernandez/Stanton) and solid farm system and no really bad contracts.

Marlins will make the playoffs before the Jays.

Pretty certain Mark was a salary dump. Not sure how the prospects we traded away are doing. Alvarez wouldn't be good in the Al. Hech has not bat.

 

[TootooTrain]

He has no options, Gose has options. AA 'logic'.

Gose is doing poorly too in AAA.

That Halladay trade is horrible right now. Drabek at best will be a reliever, Gose looks like a bench player and TDA we traded away.

Wouldn't say Gose is doing poorly. He's got a 350obp despite the batting average. He'd be used for his defense and base running ability for the most part up here anyway. Agree about the overall value of that deal though. Prospects are always a gamble.

 

[Schennanigans]

He has no options, Gose has options. AA 'logic'.

Gose is doing poorly too in AAA.

That Halladay trade is horrible right now. Drabek at best will be a reliever, Gose looks like a bench player and TDA we traded away.

We were losing Halladay regardless so I don't see how the trade was bad.

 

[canucksfan]

Wouldn't say Gose is doing poorly. He's got a 350obp despite the batting average. He'd be used for his defense and base running ability for the most part up here anyway.

He would definitely be better than Sierra. My point was he isn't tearing up AAA.

 

[canucksfan]

We were losing Halladay regardless so I don't see how the trade was bad.

You should get at least one player that will be good especially when you are trading one of the best pitchers in the game.

 

[Schennanigans]

You should get at least one player that will be good especially when you are trading one of the best pitchers in the game.

We took the best offer for him that would give him a chance to win. You can't call it a bad trade when there was no other option.

 

[canucksfan]

We took the best offer for him that would give him a chance to win. You can't call it a bad trade when there was no other option.

We don't know all the other options.

If you do, please post them.

Even if that was the best offer, the trade still looks bad.

 

[Schennanigans]

Philly was an elite team at that point, there was no other team that was a better fit for Halladay at the time. We were looking to trade him to a winner and that was philly.

 

[Eyedea]

Halladay wanted to go to philly

 

[The Nemesis]

We don't know all the other options.

If you do, please post them.

Even if that was the best offer, the trade still looks bad.

Halladay was only going to accept a trade to Philadelphia. And what the Jays got was basically 3 of their best 5 prospects. It's a pretty safe assumption that was the best offer the Jays were gonna get.

 

[canucksfan]

It doesn't matter if Philly was the only team, the trade looks like a complete failure.