Did the Blues make a mistake not re-signing Pietrangelo?

[dogbazinho]

No. Overpaying is worse than not paying IMO.

 

[Mac2Rants]

No. Overpaying is worse than not paying IMO.

 

[Ted Hoffman]

Who cares if Pietrangelo can’t be bought out easily 4-5 years later? The team would be rebuilding/retooling anyway.

Doug Armstrong has never bought out a player. He'll trade a bad contract elsewhere and try to get a better player in return, even if he's got to throw in future assets for it. Worked out great for 2019, needed a huge stroke of luck, but the prospect pool is pretty f***ing bare right now and we'll pay for that for a while as a result.

Still, . f***ing worth it.

Agreed! The Jordan Binnington contract was a huge mistake.

I felt that contract to Binnington was wrong in every aspect.

These are totally original ideas and fully explain what's going on with the Blues this season and explain why Pietrangelo didn't come back.

The krug and Hoffman signings are not good.

Krug, I'd give you. Hoffman is on a 1-year, $4M contract that got signed on the eve of training camp. It's not like that deal hindered our ability to go out and get other guys. Our roster was set and we were waiting on the ability to use LTIR to sign him.

 

[Bobby Orrtuzzo]

Obvious answer is yes, they should’ve kept him. But OP I know you’ve been banging this drum all year but he’s gone, it sucks ass but he’s not coming back

 

[Ted Hoffman]

I wish Blues fans would stop acting like Army either "didn't want Petro to come back" or "didnt care" or "waited until the last minute" or "let him walk away." All of those statements represent a fundamental misunderstanding of contract negotiations in the sense that TWO parties are always involved. I understand that athletes have every right to ask for their worth, but if you turn down 40+M dollars for a job, you either dont like the city, want more money, or let your ego in the way because lack of financial security is never a plausible reason.

Might I direct you to one of 27 threads in the Blues forum where we've discussed this ad nauseum. Not to mention, painting this as a decision to "turn down 40+M dollars for a job" grossly distorts the entire situation.

 

[16thOverallSaveUs]

they're just in a powerhouse division. Can't fault them

 

[GirardSpinorama]

ALEX PIETRANGELO #7

Vegas Golden Knights

Alternate Captain

Right Defense

Cap Hit: $8,800,000
Daily Cap Hit: $75,862
Accumulated Daily Cap Hit

: $7,586,207
Remaining Daily Cap Hit

: $1,213,793
Estimated Career Earnings

: $52,718,222
BORN:January 18, 1990
BIRTHPLACE:King City, Ontario, Canada
NATIONALITY:Canada
HEIGHT:
6'3"191cm
WEIGHT:
210 lbs95kg
SHOOTS:Right
AGE:31
ELC SIGNING AGE:18
WAIVERS SIGNING AGE:18
DRAFT YEAR:2008
DRAFTED OVERALL:4
DRAFT ROUND:1
DRAFTED BY:

STL

SEASON	CLAUSE	CAP HIT	AAV	P. BONUSES	S. BONUSES	BASE SALARY	TOTAL SALARY	MINORS SALARY
2020-21	NMC	$8,800,000	$8,800,000	$0	$3,000,000	$2,000,000	$5,000,000	$5,000,000
2021-22	NMC	$8,800,000	$8,800,000	$0	$3,000,000	$2,000,000	$5,000,000	$5,000,000
2022-23	NMC	$8,800,000	$8,800,000	$0	$7,000,000	$1,000,000	$8,000,000	$8,000,000
2023-24	NMC	$8,800,000	$8,800,000	$0	$8,000,000	$4,300,000	$12,300,000	$12,300,000
2024-25	NMC	$8,800,000	$8,800,000	$0	$8,000,000	$4,500,000	$12,500,000	$12,500,000
2025-26	NMC	$8,800,000	$8,800,000	$0	$6,000,000	$4,000,000	$10,000,000	$10,000,000
2026-27	NMC	$8,800,000	$8,800,000	$0	$0	$8,800,000	$8,800,000	$8,800,000
TOTAL		$61,600,000	$61,600,000	$0	$35,000,000	$26,600,000	$61,600,000	$61,600,000

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

That doesn't look like a mistake.
Why the hell would teams sign this contract?
Rear loaded contracts are toxic.
He'll be 38 at the end of this contract.
The dude does a pretty good job of staying healthy and he's consistently productive, but he's on the wrong side of 30 and this contract looks totally dumb from a sane GM's perspective.

Agreed. Blues had a touch decision. Avs have a similar tough decision with landeskog.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

they're just in a powerhouse division. Can't fault them

Average division. Maybe 3rd best.

 

[Dekes For Days]

It's not so much that they didn't re-sign Pietrangelo; it's that they signed lesser versions for close to the same money and length.

 

[TheMule93]

Yes and no. Pietrangelo's current contract is a mistake, so blues made the right call on that. If they could have signed a shorter deal (i.e. 5 years) then it would have made sense, but Pietrangelo wasnt settling for that.

They avoided one mistake but made several more with Krug, Faulk, Binnington's contracts

 

[Turin]

Don’t get the Binnington and Faulk deals.

 

[Fatass]

Won a Cup. That’s not a mistake.

 

[North Cole]

I wish Blues fans would stop acting like Army either "didn't want Petro to come back" or "didnt care" or "waited until the last minute" or "let him walk away." All of those statements represent a fundamental misunderstanding of contract negotiations in the sense that TWO parties are always involved. I understand that athletes have every right to ask for their worth, but if you turn down 40+M dollars for a job, you either dont like the city, want more money, or let your ego in the way because lack of financial security is never a plausible reason.

Well technically he accepted 40+M in Vegas...

Honestly though, there's a vast difference between 40+ and the 61 he signed for. Nothing wrong with wanting more money, just like there's nothing wrong with Army wanting to pay less. Sometimes a middle ground is found, sometimes it is not. I don't think it means either guy is a super villain.

 

[16thOverallSaveUs]

Average division. Maybe 3rd best.

Yeah I wasn’t being serious. If the blues were any good this year it’s be a pretty good division.

 

[Swervin81]

Can’t blame him at all. Ever been to St Louis?

I went to STL a couple months before covid happened for a Leafs/Blues game. It was honestly a pretty fun time. It's nowhere near the grim place some people make it out to be - just like any other city, have your head on a swivel and know where you're staying and going and you'll be just fine. I learned that lesson the hard way when I was in the bay area for a Leafs/Sharks game in Nov. 2018 and stayed up in SF - it's not the city's fault that I didn't do enough research and realize I was just a couple blocks away from the f***ing tenderloin - that's 100% on me lol.

 

[CupInSIX]

Can people not count? Pietrangelo will be 37 at the end of his current contract. He just turned 31 at the start of this shortened season.

Yes and no. Pietrangelo's current contract is a mistake, so blues made the right call on that. If they could have signed a shorter deal (i.e. 5 years) then it would have made sense, but Pietrangelo wasnt settling for that.

They avoided one mistake but made several more with Krug, Faulk, Binnington's contracts

Imagine thinking having a top 10 right handed dman under 9m is a mistake.


Anyway, what people seem to be forgetting is the 6m in signing bonuses he got when it wasn't guaranteed we'd even have hockey until 2022. Signing Faulk to that big contract probably pushed him a little closer to the door just before that though.

 

[TheMule93]

Can people not count? Pietrangelo will be 37 at the end of his current contract. He just turned 31 at the start of this shortened season.



Imagine thinking having a top 10 right handed dman under 9m is a mistake.

imagine thinking signing a 31 year old for 7 years isnt a mistake

 

[CupInSIX]

imagine thinking signing a 31 year old for 7 years isnt a mistake

Oh no not a chance to win for 5-6 years, anything but that. Give me cap space...cap space that could be used on a Pietrangelo.

 

[57special]

They decided to trade for, and overpay another RHD(Faulk) when they already had two top pairing(at least) RHD in Pietrangelo and Parayko. Either the GM had already decided to let Piet go, or he is an idiot. Preferring Faulk over Piet seems strange as hell to me....the sort of thing that can destroy a team culture. Piet was the leader of a team that won the 1st Cup ever for STL, and together, he and Parayko were talented monsters on the Blue line that made them very difficult to play against. Faulk...he was just some guy from outside. Nobody gameplans for him. What does it say to the team when they trade away their Captain after he has achieved the ultimate, and replaced him with a virtual nobody?

Maybe it's no accident that STL is underachieving now. The heart got cut out of them.

 

[Lt Dan]

Did the Blues make a mistake not re-signing Pietrangelo?

Every game is looking worse and worse. Lost to the Avs tonight. And if they make the playoffs they'll get steamrolled by the Avs and Vegas.

Curious what others think.

Winning a cup is one of the most detrimental actions towards future success.
Your players want more money and your opponents play much harder against you.
The second cup in a few years is much much harder than the first.

To answer your question though, yes. They made a mistake with AP. He was their captain and leader. you gotta reward a player for those roles

 

[57special]

imagine thinking signing a 31 year old for 7 years isnt a mistake

Imagine thinking that signing Faulk for 7 years at 6.5M isn't a mistake, especially when you already have two RHD talents like Parayko and Pietrangelo.

 

[Ted Hoffman]

Oh no not a chance to win for 5-6 years, anything but that. Give me cap space...cap space that could be used on a Pietrangelo.

Don't you know? Once a player hits age 30, they're rubbish. Garbage. Shit. They're doing good to tie their own skates. Hell, they're doing not to need a walker to get to/from the locker room. Even 28 is pushing it. You only ever want a team of guys age 18-27. Period. Everything else is a waste of money.

 

[TheMule93]

Imagine thinking that signing Faulk for 7 years at 6.5M isn't a mistake, especially when you already have two RHD talents like Parayko and Pietrangelo.

Yes and no. Pietrangelo's current contract is a mistake, so blues made the right call on that. If they could have signed a shorter deal (i.e. 5 years) then it would have made sense, but Pietrangelo wasnt settling for that.

They avoided one mistake but made several more with Krug, Faulk, Binnington's contracts

Imagine not being able to read

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

Even as a Chicagoan, this is BS. STL is a great sports town and many players stay after retirement. I lived there for three years during grad school and there are many great spots to live west of the city.

I guess if you enjoy living in hell. Summers with 90+ Degree/humidity days are for the birds.

I went to STL a couple months before covid happened for a Leafs/Blues game. It was honestly a pretty fun time. It's nowhere near the grim place some people make it out to be - just like any other city, have your head on a swivel and know where you're staying and going and you'll be just fine. I learned that lesson the hard way when I was in the bay area for a Leafs/Sharks game in Nov. 2018 and stayed up in SF - it's not the city's fault that I didn't do enough research and realize I was just a couple blocks away from the f***ing tenderloin - that's 100% on me lol.

I find it funny how San Francisco’s reputation has only gotten bad over the past couple of years when there have been bad neighborhoods forever. Once you leave the piers and head up hill it’s a different world in the city. People bad mouth Oakland but I’ve never had any bad experiences anywhere there, especially compared to SF.

 

[tucker3434]

I thought the blues played pretty well the last two times we've played them. I would not be thrilled about playing them in the first round, but I would be a lot more concerned if they had paid Pie instead of Binnington.