They made a big move in 06 and won the cup. Would they have won without it? Making a bug move doesn't guarantee a cup, but it gives you a better chance than if you don't. They are a really good team, but without a missing piece (literally a 2c right now) they are betting on a miracle.
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That's a false dichotomy. History has shown that it's generally up to a team's best players internal to the club to be enough to win. Even in an aggressive 06, Recchi and Weight were upper-middle of the forward lineup in impact behind Staal, Stillman, Brind'Amour and Williams. Earlier in the thread, you said "... they are starting to waste one of the best cares in the league." Therefore, Carolina's best players are good enough and a major add like Horvat shouldn't be the difference between legit cup hopeful and "betting on a miracle."
Carolina's best players not being good enough would be a better pitch. However, It's hard to argue that Horvat is that type of game changer, if you want to go down that road.
Carolina's best players not being good enough would be a better pitch. However, It's hard to argue that Horvat is that type of game changer, if you want to go down that road.
As good as it is, it pales in comparison to TBL, COL, BOS, VGK. IMO Horvat puts you in that conversation. O'Reilly and Toews improve your 2nd line, but not enough. Maybe it catches lightning in a bottle under the current core, but does a GM bet his job on that?
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This is such a silly take. This exact argument could be used for any rental ever in the history of the NHL. “Why get rental player X? Is our core not good enough on its own???”
This isn’t to say the Canes should or shouldn’t go after Horvat. Personally I don’t give a shit either way. But this thinking is so far off. Anyway the Canes already said their TDL acquisition is Pacioretty so not sure why this is being discussed.
It would be silly if I was arguing that no team should ever trade meaningful assets for a rental. I'm not.
I'm arguing against the idea that not making a splash at the deadline is death for a team's chances. The evidence is on the prior page in chart form.
As a backdrop to the discussion, Don Waddell did a Q&A in the Athletic recently, in which he said "It doesn't mean you can't tweak, but very rarely has there been that trade deadline player that's come in and he's the reason we won the Cup." He went on to talk about the Summer being the time for major changes.
'We've got a really good hockey club': A wide-ranging Q&A with Hurricanes GM Don Waddell
Carolina has had to weather a very tough stretch, but the president and GM seems confident.
theathletic.com
Horvat has produced ok in his two Playoff runs. Secondary scoring to better players. He wasn't the difference on a Cup contending roster.
Carolina did not stand pat last year. They traded a 3rd round pick for Max Domi who single-handedly won Game 7 against a very good Boston team. They will likely look for another value piece this deadline as well. When Carolina trades a 1st round pick it is for a long-term asset.
The best players on the Hurricanes are 20 years old (Jarvis), 22 (Svechnikov), 23 (Necas), 23 (Kochetkov), 25 (Aho) and 28 (Slavin). Compare that to TBL, VGK, BOS, and COL and Carolina has at least 3 years of mental and core chemistry development before being slam-dunk Cup contenders. This is why they try to supplement their current team with Pacioretty and Burns in the short-term to give them a shot.
If you're purely going by PPG then yes, his limited playoff experience has been good, not great. But during the last run he scored 10 goals in 17 games. Pretty impressive.
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It's really funny to me how some will equate "win-now" to "paying any price for my team's rental player".
Horvat will probably be a nice add to whoever gets him but definitely not worth gutting your prospect pool over
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Next to not losing money, wining a cup is the name of the game
Can't be a really deep prospect pool if you're gutting it for pretty much any 1 player
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Close all Canuck threads until the Canucks actually prove they are able to move a core piece
