Devon Toews is underpaid

[Arto Kilponen]

T-4th in goals among NHL d-men now.

 

[flashy]

picked him up when he was IR. at the start of the season in fantasy.

He is the most underrated defenseman in the league. Makar puts up the points and is amazing at at offence but when you look at the def stats and advanced its clear who the best overall (and i mean this litterally) defenseman is.

take the PP points away from Makar which Ill concede is a huge part of the guys game.

and look at 5v5 goals against, shots, chances, etc.

Avs are better at gf and ga with toews vs makar

not to mention Toews does PK (hard minutes) vs Makar getting fed PP

 

[Arto Kilponen]

Faces his former team for the first two times, scores a goal in each. In total, 12 goals and 44 points this season so far.

 

[Arto Kilponen]

His second game winning goal of the season comes against his former team.

 

[GeeoffBrown]

I think you have to give the advanced stats folks their due on this one. Toews is definitely a top defenseman in the league. And also the best Toews LOL

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

picked him up when he was IR. at the start of the season in fantasy.

He is the most underrated defenseman in the league. Makar puts up the points and is amazing at at offence but when you look at the def stats and advanced its clear who the best overall (and i mean this litterally) defenseman is.

take the PP points away from Makar which Ill concede is a huge part of the guys game.

and look at 5v5 goals against, shots, chances, etc.

Avs are better at gf and ga with toews vs makar

not to mention Toews does PK (hard minutes) vs Makar getting fed PP

If you actually watch Colorado play, it’s pretty obvious that Makar is better. I don’t even think it’s that close, tbh.

 

[22FUTON9]

If you actually watch Colorado play, it’s pretty obvious that Makar is better. I don’t even think it’s that close, tbh.

Just another case of other fan bases trying everything out of their ass to bring down Makar lol

 

[TruePowerSlave]

picked him up when he was IR. at the start of the season in fantasy.

He is the most underrated defenseman in the league. Makar puts up the points and is amazing at at offence but when you look at the def stats and advanced its clear who the best overall (and i mean this litterally) defenseman is.

take the PP points away from Makar which Ill concede is a huge part of the guys game.

and look at 5v5 goals against, shots, chances, etc.

Avs are better at gf and ga with toews vs makar

not to mention Toews does PK (hard minutes) vs Makar getting fed PP

When you look at the games instead of advanced stats it becomes very clear Makar is the superior player

 

[Hasbro]

Could someone summarize some of his advanced stats like goals above replacement and such. I have a feeling he looks at least ok there, but is he anywhere close to, say, top-50 in NHL there?

 

[Arto Kilponen]

The game against Devils is his game #100 for the Avalanche.

 

[Arto Kilponen]

Scores against Penguins his point #50 of the season. It is a game winning goal.

 

[tucker3434]

Cant believe we lucked into that guy.

 

[MaKarter]

Colorado Avalanche record this year.

5-6-1 without Toews
50-9-5 with Toews

 

[Arto Kilponen]

Colorado Avalanche record this year.

5-6-1 without Toews
50-9-5 with Toews

So .458 without, .820 with = .362 positive difference?

Over 82 games,
.458 = 75 points
.820 = 134 points

 

[Crossfire Hurricane]

So .458 without, .820 with = .362 positive difference?

Over 82 games,
.458 = 75 points
.820 = 134 points

Toews for Hart.

 

[Arto Kilponen]

Toews for Hart.

I'm simplifying things, but basically the #1 thing you want from your players is that they help your team to win. Everything else there is completely secondary. Ok, maybe salary cap hit is not totally secondary, but the other stuff is.

 

[Chips]

Colorado Avalanche record this year.

5-6-1 without Toews
50-9-5 with Toews

Just asking, wasn’t there some overlap with his injuries/time miss with other key players missing time and or their goalie playing less good? The early part of the season is a blur at this point but I assumed that’s when he missed games?

 

[GhostfaceWu]

I still can't believe how dumb the islanders were for trading him away.

 

[Arto Kilponen]

Just asking, wasn’t there some overlap with his injuries/time miss with other key players missing time and or their goalie playing less good? The early part of the season is a blur at this point but I assumed that’s when he missed games?

He missed first 10 or so recovering from a surgery done in the summer.

Then he missed at least one game against Nashville, where it was a total joke the game was even played, because everyone was missing for both sides.

And now misses four games due to some undisclosed injury.

I think for the first 10 games or so pretty much everyone was healthy. Almost instantly after Toews returned, Avalanche took over the NHL.

 

[Arto Kilponen]

Avalanche is now 5-7-1 without Toews this season. That's .423 and over 82 games that's 69 points. As an example of a team close to .423 this season, Ottawa is .422 and is ranked at 26th in the NHL right now.

 

[KaraLupin]

Someone quote me the twitter vid of Toews defensive plays montage this year

 

[The Abusement Park]

I mean missing Toews has clearly been a problem. But so has missing Landy, Mikko, Naz, and a few others over the last few games.

 

[redandyellowcametobe]

Someone quote me the twitter vid of Toews defensive plays montage this year

 

[TatteredTornNFrayed]

Just asking, wasn’t there some overlap with his injuries/time miss with other key players missing time and or their goalie playing less good? The early part of the season is a blur at this point but I assumed that’s when he missed games?

Yes.
I don't recall all the details, but I think the early games Toews missed overlapped with some guys missing for Covid tests, as well as a Landeskog suspension, and Kuemper slow adjustment period at the beginning of the season.

Edit: I forget the reason, but Mackinnon was also out multiple games at the beginning of the season.

 

[Arto Kilponen]

Toews missed from four games recently, for example against Jets and Kraken. Avalanche got a grand total of zero points from those.

He returned last night and instantly a win. Then again, Blues is probably another of

All those teams are absolute garbage and playing even worse than expected as well.

so that must be the reason.