GDT: Devils vs. Blues - 8:00 PM - MSG+

[Capt Nico Poo]

Strangely they're 3-4-1 in their last eight games. It may seem as bad but it's not quite there yet. It might get there in a few games though.

Yeah, nowhere near Jmac era. Jmac era was so incredibly sad and roster wasnt actually this bad. We have a trash roster and we get trash results. Deal with it.

 

[Sir Fenwick Corsi]

I’ve been pretty over Hynes for the longest time now but last night was especially bad. The roster excuse can only go so far. Yes, the team is dog shit. Everyone can see that, but they’re still a professional organization (I think) and should act as such. What we saw in this game was the complete opposite of professionalism. And his handling of Kinkaid was even more disgraceful. Battle through it? Whether or not Kinkaid has been good or bad this year, the fact is that he’s not guaranteed a job next season and allowing him to get shelled in a game that his teammates had no interest playing in, well that type of shit shouldn’t fly in the big league. It’s pretty f***ing awful. But wtf does Hynes care? Must be nice knowing your job is safe despite the horrendous results. It’s like there is no accountability whatsoever. Never mind roster changes, Shero needs to cleanse that bench ASAP and bring in a legitimate hockey mind. I have zero idea what they see in this joker. He really pissed me off in this game.

 

[Devils090]

No coach is doing anything with this garbage roster

 

[Camille the Eel]

No coach is doing anything with this garbage roster

We lost the game in the first period when we quickly got down 3 to 1 playing an incredibly helter skelter and undisciplined style against a more skilled and disciplined club. The style of play was a recipe for what happened. How many games this year does this remind you of? At least 2 each against Toronto, Winnipeg, Columbus, also games against San Jose . . . How many blow outs does it take for the coach to understand that we can’t play these heavier and attacking teams with these tactics and be competitive. Open up the ice - be fast and attacking - and the pucks accumulate in the back of our net pretty fast. It’s on the coaches when this keeps happening predictably. We need to play these clubs differently to give ourselves at least a chance to win.

 

[tr83]

I’ve been pretty over Hynes for the longest time now but last night was especially bad. The roster excuse can only go so far. Yes, the team is dog ****. Everyone can see that, but they’re still a professional organization (I think) and should act as such. What we saw in this game was the complete opposite of professionalism. And his handling of Kinkaid was even more disgraceful. Battle through it? Whether or not Kinkaid has been good or bad this year, the fact is that he’s not guaranteed a job next season and allowing him to get shelled in a game that his teammates had no interest playing in, well that type of **** shouldn’t fly in the big league. It’s pretty ****ing awful. But wtf does Hynes care? Must be nice knowing your job is safe despite the horrendous results. It’s like there is no accountability whatsoever. Never mind roster changes, Shero needs to cleanse that bench ASAP and bring in a legitimate hockey mind. I have zero idea what they see in this joker. He really pissed me off in this game.

And if Shero doesn't want to address it, he needs to pay with his job.

But change might only happen if College Night is brought back. That means people are not buying tickets. It's the only way to send a message that the fans have had enough.

"But they play well at home!"

So what's the excuse on the road? Because they don't get to line match. That's an absurd argument.

They play "well" at home because they don't want to be booed off the ice.

 

[Ripshot 43]

I will say it again... if you guys think Shero doesn’t have the support of ownership for what is happening right now I don’t know what to tell you. He clearly has sold ownership on his 5 year (or however many) rebuilding plan and we are sticking to it. Extending Hynes while going through this frustrating season proves it and it is probably a better option than brining in a new coach every 2 years or a big name vet to squeeze water from this rock of a roster.

 

[Billdo]

I've said for a long time that Santini will have a longer NHL career than Severson.

I don't think that's going to be true.

 

[MadDevil]

I don't think that's going to be true.

Consider the source.

 

[Billdo]

I will say it again... if you guys think Shero doesn’t have the support of ownership for what is happening right now I don’t know what to tell you. He clearly has sold ownership on his 5 year (or however many) rebuilding plan and we are sticking to it. Extending Hynes while going through this frustrating season proves it and it is probably a better option than brining in a new coach every 2 years or a big name vet to squeeze water from this rock of a roster.

Ownership is fine with taking their time with a relatively low payroll and making money off the Rock anyway though. Am I right guys? #trusttheprocess #internalcap

 

[captainscott]

Pending an injury causing a premature ending to Severson's career, I think you'd lose that bet.

I think Merrill's career in the NHL may be longer than Santini's. I see nothing great about Santini. Mueller is much better. Defensemen like Santini are a dime a dozen, even though he was a good prospect and I thought he'd be better. But he is much better than Gryba though.

i though santini was gonna be better too.. not gonna happen

 

[Billdo]

We have ONE, 1, O. N. E., player who is a + player this year and that's Nico. Lovejoy went from being +4 to 0 after last night. I know plus minus is kind of dumb but it's interesting that this team is so inept with regard to that stat.

Butcher to me isn't a NHLer. He's a PP specialist who has shown no progression. I've really soured on him. I think we deal him and Smith steps in next year.

 

[Triumph]

We have ONE, 1, O. N. E., player who is a + player this year and that's Nico. Lovejoy went from being +4 to 0 after last night. I know plus minus is kind of dumb but it's interesting that this team is so inept with regard to that stat.

Butcher to me isn't a NHLer. He's a PP specialist who has shown no progression. I've really soured on him. I think we deal him and Smith steps in next year.

Butcher is the best defenseman the Devils have. He looked bad last night. He is so far from a PP specialist.

 

[Devils731]

Butcher is the best defenseman the Devils have. He looked bad last night. He is so far from a PP specialist.

I don’t think Butcher is actually very effective on the PP.

I do think Butcher is a very effective two-way defenseman as long as he avoids top matchups. Of course a defensive system that focused on positioning over skating for the defenseman may make him look even stronger at even strength.

 

[Call Me Al]

i actually think it's hard to gauge how any of our defensemen look generally speaking. they're not playing a system that's conducive to limiting chances or avoiding risky plays or generally speaking, success.

you get boneheaded plays like severson made repeatedly last night that show you huge flaws in his mental game, but the truth is you can simplify what our structure is in the d zone and limit the amount of risk we want defensemen to take and the entire corps could end up being more serviceable than they currently are.

 

[Blender]

Interesting angle. So Mueller plays a Mueller game and ends up +1, everyone else buys in plays a Hynes game gets -4. Gryba who didn't know better or unable to learn system, plays a simple game gets better than -4.

It has some legs....

We'll only know for sure if Mueller is sitting next game.... I mean, Yak scored a tying goal in the Rangers game, and he was sitting next game.

Interesting theory. Mueller plays defense the way he was taught to do so, and generally defends pretty well but doesn't follow the system well enough. Hynes benches/scratches him for not following the system, even though he is outperforming almost everyone defensively. I could legitimately see that being the case.

 

[devilsblood]

i actually think it's hard to gauge how any of our defensemen look generally speaking. they're not playing a system that's conducive to limiting chances or avoiding risky plays or generally speaking, success.

you get boneheaded plays like severson made repeatedly last night that show you huge flaws in his mental game, but the truth is you can simplify what our structure is in the d zone and limit the amount of risk we want defensemen to take and the entire corps could end up being more serviceable than they currently are.

I do think the system makes it hard, but the personnel makes it hard as well.

Missing Hall, and now Wood and Coleman up front has taken a toll.

And I have long said #1d is our biggest issue, now your take Vat's out of the mix, and you have everyone playing way over their heads.

Greene and Sev's were barely serviceable as a 2nd pair.

Butch and Lovejoy were very effective as a 3rd pair, but that is not a 2nd pairing.

I think Mueller is fine on the 3rd pair, but I think Murphy was a match better complement to his skills.

 

[devilsblood]

Interesting angle. So Mueller plays a Mueller game and ends up +1, everyone else buys in plays a Hynes game gets -4. Gryba who didn't know better or unable to learn system, plays a simple game gets better than -4.

It has some legs....

I think those +/- #'s are more indicative of matchups then Mueller being a rogue defender who plays his own style.

It's a lot easier playing against Zach Sanford then Tarasenko.

 

[Billdo]

Butcher is the best defenseman the Devils have. He looked bad last night. He is so far from a PP specialist.

Wait, do you honestly believe that?

 

[Triumph]

Wait, do you honestly believe that?

The results are best with him on the ice, so yeah, I do.

 

[devilsblood]

The results are best with him on the ice, so yeah, I do.

But you disregard matchups. Lovejoy's #'s were fantastic too when he was in that bottom pair.

Now playing in a 2nd pairing role the 2 of them have gotten cremated over the past couple games.

Granted I don't think he is far from our best defender because it is looking like a pretty sorry lot back there. I would say Vat's is our best, but Butcher is right there with Greene and Sev's.

 

[Blender]

The results are best with him on the ice, so yeah, I do.

Relative to the minutes and match ups he plays. If he were playing top pairing against top competition he'd get eaten alive.