Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part IV

[Blackjack]

Drawn the team into a lengthy negotiation. Hold out. All that stuff.

Bratt has been playing for far less than market value for years. He has never complained or asked to be traded.

Do you really think Fitz didnt offer a reasonably fair contract? Look at who we have on contracts, long term. They seem pretty good term and size.

No I don’t because I don’t think that Bratt hates money and he has been playing under market for years.

 

[Devs3cups]

If all we get for Bratt is a second round pick, that's an absolute disaster

Yeah, doubt that’ll happen though.

 

[Blackjack]

Fitz was GM/AGM for most of our long-term deals (Hughes, Nico, Dougie). All the deals are fair and reasonable. It’s also been wildly reported that he offered north of 9 mil to Gaudreau. There’s absolutely no reason to believe he isn’t offering Bratt a fair contract.

I know it’s fantasy, but if this drags on, I’d eventually like Fitz to pull a Cashman/Judge and come straight out with his offer publicly.

If you can’t see that Bratt is treated differently by this organization than Hughes, Nico, and Dougie, I don’t know what to tell you.

Not sure why it’s a fantasy, didn’t we learn what our offer to JG was?

 

[Devs3cups]

If you can’t see that Bratt is treated differently by this organization than Hughes, Nico, and Dougie, I don’t know what to tell you.

Not sure why it’s a fantasy, didn’t we learn what our offer to JG was?

We learnt JG’s offer but not by Fitz directly.

I don’t necessarily see that big of a difference, although I suppose draft position has an influence. Let me ask you this, what do you think is a reasonable offer for Bratt? And if you were Bratt, what would you ask?

 

[Blackjack]

We learnt JG’s offer but not by Fitz directly.

I don’t necessarily see that big of a difference, although I suppose draft position has an influence. Let me ask you this, what do you think is a reasonable offer for Bratt? And if you were Bratt, what would you ask?

It seems pretty clear to me that Bratt’s value is somewhere between 8 and 8.5. Maybe slightly higher if the cap is going up.

It also seems pretty clear to me that Fitz does not want to pay him that.

 

[Devs3cups]

It seems pretty clear to me that Bratt’s value is somewhere between 8 and 8.5. Maybe slightly higher if the cap is going up.

It also seems pretty clear to me that Fitz does not want to pay him that.

I’d be pretty surprised if Fitz’s offer to Bratt isn’t in that ballpark, given past offers and contracts for our top guys. I guess time will tell.

 

[Bleedred]

Fitz was GM/AGM for most of our long-term deals (Hughes, Nico, Dougie). All the deals are fair and reasonable. It’s also been wildly reported that he offered north of 9 mil to Gaudreau. There’s absolutely no reason to believe he isn’t offering Bratt a fair contract.

I know it’s fantasy, but if this drags on, I’d eventually like Fitz to pull a Cashman/Judge and come straight out with his offer publicly.

I’m pretty sure Shero was still here when Nico was extended. It was only like a minute before he was out.

 

[Devs3cups]

I’m pretty sure Shero was still here when Nico was extended. It was only like a minute before he was out.

Oh yeah I know, that’s why I mentioned the AGM (Assistant GM) part. He wasn’t GM, but he was no doubt part of the negotiations.

 

[Devils090]

We definitely need scoring help, Jack, Bratt and Nico can’t keep being the only ones to put the puck in the net.

Since 12/1

Tatar has 3 goals
Zetterlund has 1 goal
Yegor has 2 goals
Mercer has 3 goals
Wood has 1 goal
Haula has 1 goal
Boqvist hast scored since Black Friday
McLeod hasn’t scored since the first rags game

This is going to kill the season if it doesn’t change

 

[Bleedred]

We definitely need scoring help, Jack, Bratt and Nico can’t keep being the only ones to put the puck in the net.

Since 12/1

Tatar has 3 goals
Zetterlund has 1 goal
Yegor has 2 goals
Mercer has 3 goals
Wood has 1 goal
Haula has 1 goal
Boqvist hast scored since Black Friday
McLeod hasn’t scored since the first rags game

This is going to kill the season if it doesn’t change

This is about the norm for McLeod. He might get an empty net goal again before one against a goalie.

If he doesn’t score a goal in one of the next two nights then he’ll be on his fifth different goalless drought of at least 16 games in the NHL. The drought is currently at 14 straight games without a goal.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

We definitely need scoring help, Jack, Bratt and Nico can’t keep being the only ones to put the puck in the net.

Since 12/1

Tatar has 3 goals
Zetterlund has 1 goal
Yegor has 2 goals
Mercer has 3 goals
Wood has 1 goal
Haula has 1 goal
Boqvist hast scored since Black Friday
McLeod hasn’t scored since the first rags game

This is going to kill the season if it doesn’t change

Palmieri 2.0, guy is insanely streaky. Last year he didn't score the first month and still scored 20+. He'll turn it around out of those guys on that list. Him, Mercer, Haula, McLeod have added value as penalty killers too but I agree it's tiring to see the top guys getting blanked and no one on the roster knows how to score. Next 3 games are massive, a Detroit team they should beat, on/off Blues team that just lost Tarasenko/ROR, a Rags team finding their way.

Here comes the third ride on the roller coaster

Lol flip him for Meier at next year's draft if he continues to be a pain which he probably will. Then use the space from Severson + other UFA players to sign a winger for Nico.

 

[TBF1972]

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@Bleedred in the same row with his buddy

anybody else worried that mkb will fall out of his seat?

 

[TBF1972]

No I don’t because I don’t think that Bratt hates money and he has been playing under market for years.

i wouldn't say he played under market value for years. every elc contract is a bargain, if the players is bonafide nhl'er. than bratt got two year bridge deal at 2.75m, which looks ok for a player who scored around 0.5 ppg. he clearly outperformed his contract in his second year, but the parties couldn't agree on a long term contract. in the end bratt took the one year offer.

we don't know what was offered by fitz on a long-term contract. but if bratt was willing to commit long term, i don't think 50+million were off the table. a player, who wants to stay, doesn't try to maximize his earnings in those salary heights. bratt is clearly more interested in money than staying a devil and i don't think he is the type of player you destroy the salary cap for.

as others said keeping bratt would be nice, but i don't see it. therefore if the team trades him in the offseason i am good with it. it takes two to tango.

 

[TBF1972]

It seems pretty clear to me that Bratt’s value is somewhere between 8 and 8.5. Maybe slightly higher if the cap is going up.

It also seems pretty clear to me that Fitz does not want to pay him that.

neither hughes nor hischier got offered that much money for their long-term commitments. i know they were less proven at that time and their deals include more rfa contract years. but both play a more valuable position and have a higher ceiling than bratt. so not offering a contract with an aav 10%-20% above hischier is a slight against bratt?

sorry i don't see that.

 

[glenwo2]

@Share and Go Fish : "And that flag in my avatar isn’t going anywhere, but the guy in yours possibly is. So I suspect you're as likely to change it as we are to land pasta anyway."

The bet was for Pasta, not about Bratt.

And besides, if he does end up not re-signing, you really believe I will be keeping this avatar of him? lol

 

[Blackjack]

i wouldn't say he played under market value for years. every elc contract is a bargain, if the players is bonafide nhl'er. than bratt got two year bridge deal at 2.75m, which looks ok for a player who scored around 0.5 ppg. he clearly outperformed his contract in his second year, but the parties couldn't agree on a long term contract. in the end bratt took the one year offer.

I don’t agree with your framing here, but we don’t need to get into it because none of this negates my point, which is that Bratt has been playing for less than market value. Throw out the ELC because those are pretty well standardized. After this season Bratt will have played 3 seasons post ELC and earned around half of what Hischier will have gotten in his first three post ELC seasons, and substantially less than half of what Jack got. When you bridge a FA like they did with Bratt, you save money upfront but the obvious consequence is that you pay more on the back end.

Probably my biggest frustration is people ignoring this dynamic and pretending that Bratt’s ask should be compared to what Hischier and Hughes got straight out of their ELCs.

we don't know what was offered by fitz on a long-term contract. but if bratt was willing to commit long term, i don't think 50+million were off the table. a player, who wants to stay, doesn't try to maximize his earnings in those salary heights. bratt is clearly more interested in money than staying a devil and i don't think he is the type of player you destroy the salary cap for.

There is zero evidence that Nico or Jack left any money on the table. By your logic they are both mercenaries who care more about money than leaving enough cap room for the team to win. If Bergeron and Marchand are happy with $6 million, why aren’t Nico and Jack?

Bratt gets the same double standard from the fan base that he gets from management.

as others said keeping bratt would be nice, but i don't see it. therefore if the team trades him in the offseason i am good with it. it takes two to tango.

I’m good with it too, it would be fun to see him play on a team that actually wants him.

 

[Blackjack]

neither hughes nor hischier got offered that much money for their long-term commitments. i know they were less proven at that time and their deals include more rfa contract years. but both play a more valuable position and have a higher ceiling than bratt. so not offering a contract with an aav 10%-20% above hischier is a slight against bratt?

sorry i don't see that.

Yes, and they also signed their contracts in a lower cap environment, and they’ve both been given more ice time and more powerplay time. It’s almost like you should ignore their contracts and compare Bratt to what other elite wingers are signing for, which is where the $8 - $8.5 figure comes from.

 

[FinnishDevil]

If all we get for Bratt is a second round pick, that's an absolute disaster

Turning 6th rounder into a 2nd rounder would be some amazing asset management.

 

[glenwo2]

Turning 6th rounder into a 2nd rounder would be some amazing asset management.

Except that Bratt is not a "draft pick" that has yet to be selected in the draft.

He's not some "number" we don't know about.

He's an established Top 6 player who is on a PPG pace again.

If he is dealt (which I doubt), I'd like to see a hell of a lot more than just a simple draft pick in return.

 

[Better Call Sal]

Except that Bratt is not a "draft pick" that has yet to be selected in the draft.

He's not some "number" we don't know about.

He's an established Top 6 player who is on a PPG pace again.

If he is dealt (which I doubt), I'd like to see a hell of a lot more than just a simple draft pick in return.

 

[FinnishDevil]

Except that Bratt is not a "draft pick" that has yet to be selected in the draft.

He's not some "number" we don't know about.

He's an established Top 6 player who is on a PPG pace again.

If he is dealt (which I doubt), I'd like to see a hell of a lot more than just a simple draft pick in return.

Glen, brother. It was a joke.

 

[glenwo2]

Glen, brother. It was a joke.

 

[MadDevil]

 

[glenwo2]

Can we please stop with the "sarcastic" posts? It's unfair to me, dammit.

 

[Devils731]