I wonder how much input Castron had here too. I believe Columbus picked around where Mueller went in the draft that year, so it's possible he's been a player on Castron's radar for a while.
Confirmed with Link: Devils re-sign Mirco Mueller (2 years, $850k AAV)
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devilsblood;135988959 I also think Shero was probably willing to overpay a little given we had such an immediate need said:
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When Mueller started to play at SJ, he was very good for a young D. He would even be on the top minutes per game and at 1 occasion logged simply the highest TOI.
Then he suddenly started to fade and was sent down to the AHL.
Even if it is circumstancial, to be 1st TOI on SJ or regularly on the first TOI, he had to be doing something well.
Now you have Mirco Mueller for 2 years 850 /yrs , that is a good deal.
It's almost like he's an NHL caliber defenseman that's been polishing his game in the minors for three years because he's 22 and his NHL team had veteran depth on defense
no the internet said he was a bust
advanced numbers are so overatted in my opinion they are a supplement not a end all..... they are like plus minus in that sense.. a nice supplemental tool to help assess what you see with your own eyes...
i will defend the mueller skeptics now.... ( i am a non mueller skeptic) but its two pre season games. we cannot start to prepare for the mueller number retiring ceremony just yet... in fact neither of the games he played in were even televised so my bet is most of us didn't even see him play yet... word is he has been solid..
one of the big question marks for this season and the reality of this team making a playoff push was going to be do santini/severson/meuller ... have break out seasons...? so far... severson and apparantly mueller look really good... santini in my opinion will be as good if not better than last year without a doubt his game shouldn't leave much to question.. if these three all of a sudden play above expectations we are looking at a completely different dynamic to this season.
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I think some of the praise for Mueller is just over exuberance personally. We really haven't seen much and what we have is difficult to interpret in my opinion.. mainly because most of it has been elementary...simple plays and simple situations for the most part. He has passed those test for sure though.
Mueller obviously has some skills. He can skate well, his passing seems very good. But there seems to be a real and unusual reluctancy with Mueller to carry the puck. Once the puck is on his stick it's over to his partner or out. Even in relatively simple situations it's the same thing. It seems to me like it's over rehearsed. Almost as if he's going down a checklist of options.
Too soon to tell anything in my opinion but I'm a bit suspicious of what I'm seeing right now.... I am a bit skeptical of his ability to process what is happening in front of him. I don't know if this is the case or not but decision making seems robotic and we haven't seen 100% game speed with real talent yet.
And it could very well be a part of the plan for him to be playing a ultra simplistic game at this point...so I'm not reading too much into anything right now positive or negative.
I just think the proclamations of "best player on the ice" are without merit and way over the top.
Mueller obviously has some skills. He can skate well, his passing seems very good. But there seems to be a real and unusual reluctancy with Mueller to carry the puck. Once the puck is on his stick it's over to his partner or out. Even in relatively simple situations it's the same thing. It seems to me like it's over rehearsed. Almost as if he's going down a checklist of options.
Too soon to tell anything in my opinion but I'm a bit suspicious of what I'm seeing right now.... I am a bit skeptical of his ability to process what is happening in front of him. I don't know if this is the case or not but decision making seems robotic and we haven't seen 100% game speed with real talent yet.
And it could very well be a part of the plan for him to be playing a ultra simplistic game at this point...so I'm not reading too much into anything right now positive or negative.
I just think the proclamations of "best player on the ice" are without merit and way over the top.
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I watched the entire Montreal game and he was the best d man on the ice. He was an ace on the breakout and used his speed to his advantage. Just one game but he deserves the praise. You can see there is something there.
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When you go into the trade absolutely hating it, of course you aren't going to like the player
Mueller has been our best DMan so far this preseason for my money. I havent watched every second of every game, but I've watched a good bit of at least each game.
Like was mentioned, I think he is trying to build his confidence back up. That play where he stole the puck and then deked the 2nd player out of his skates in the MTL game reminded me SO much of Larsson.
Mueller has been our best DMan so far this preseason for my money. I havent watched every second of every game, but I've watched a good bit of at least each game.
Like was mentioned, I think he is trying to build his confidence back up. That play where he stole the puck and then deked the 2nd player out of his skates in the MTL game reminded me SO much of Larsson.
I like what I've seen out of Mueller so far but I wish we could hear the opinions about him if he hadn't scored 2 goals off of a faceoff win.
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His offense isn't what he has been getting praise about, that's been a bonus. His outlet passes and positioning have been superb. He's had a lot of good takeaways in our own zone and the neutral zone as well. He's played a very efficient, steady, and reliable game so far. Consistency is going to be key, because if he can play consistently this way he will easily slot in as a solid top 4 defender.
It's unrealistic and lofty to expect a ton of offense from him since that's never been his game, but he should pick up a few points playing this way.
Mueller got rushed into the NHL by SJ and when demoted to the AHL got passed up by other prospects. That likely damaged his confidence, so maybe a change in scenery was needed.
He strikes me as an all tools/no tool box sort of player but time will tell. He was prone to making poor plays under pressure, only time will tell if he cleans that up. The SJ board's consensus has his ceiling as a bottom pairing D.
He strikes me as an all tools/no tool box sort of player but time will tell. He was prone to making poor plays under pressure, only time will tell if he cleans that up. The SJ board's consensus has his ceiling as a bottom pairing D.
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The goals are a bonus. His decision-making and outlet passes are what really impressed me.
Good thing there's been more talk about his skating and outlet passes then
Anchoring bias is real. I too like his play in his own zone but I'm not sure all the takes would be the same without the 2 goals.
To be fair, I think at least half of the optimistic takes in this thread are just taking jabs at Jim.
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I agree.
I don't really expect him to put up a significant amount of offense, maybe 20 points or so. Probably around the typical numbers that you'd see out of Mark Fayne, Adam Larsson, Tallinder, etc.
I think he's been pretty good, otherwise.
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He's played 4 or 5 solid games in a row now. Clearly learning new tricks, which is just what you want to see from a 22 year old rookie D-man in the NHL.
Loved it when he intentionally took the puck OUT of the Devils offensive zone last night and skated it all the way back to the Devils defensive zone allowing the team to make a line change. Very mature recognition of the situation, and not to name names, but some guys would have shot that puck on goal from the blue line, allowing for a rush against the other way with a gassed line of forwards.
Loved it when he intentionally took the puck OUT of the Devils offensive zone last night and skated it all the way back to the Devils defensive zone allowing the team to make a line change. Very mature recognition of the situation, and not to name names, but some guys would have shot that puck on goal from the blue line, allowing for a rush against the other way with a gassed line of forwards.
Kid’s got game. There obviously isn’t a tremendously high ceiling with him but he’s steady. He’s been a good pickup for this team.
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I hope Mueller and Santini continue to grow because they both look like good top 4 shutdown options. You can see why Shero and co took a chance on Mueller. There's even a bit of physicality entering his game which is great to see.
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Few weeks ago I said that it was flushing 2nd round pick down the toilet, now I have to admit he had few solid games after the beginning in which he looked worse than Lovejoy. If he continue playing like this, I'll say that the trade was worth it and I was wrong.
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