GDT: DEVILS (GOOD GUYS) VS RANGERS (BADGUYS)

[njdevils1982]

I'm sure they did it because The Batman premiered today.

not only that…… we got ourselves an ass trash ranger fan here premiering their tripe in this thread

representing the worst hockey fan

but easy to laf at

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Not even mad with this result tonight, the Devils had the better chances but got stopped by the goalie who’s having the best season since prime Hasek. I thought Hughes had one of his slower games but it was bound to happen since the guy has been fire lately. If this was against any other team we’d chalk up to a good effort but since it’s the Rags it sucks a lot more, lol. Also was there anything about Zacha regarding a trade and the late scratch for him?

 

[PKs Broken Stick]

Brilliant take. Take 3 elite players off the team and they would be way worse. Who would have thought? Why stop there? Take Mika and Kreider off as well and they would win the lottery.

The truth hurts I know

 

[PizzaAndPucks]

I missed the game tonight , made plans with my brother and his kids to go see The Batman (which was good btw). I saw Nico's goal and will probably watch the highlights but I'm glad I missed this one to be honest. It sucks that we are on like a 9 game losing streak against these guys. From what it sounds like on here is that we played a good game for the most part but Shesterkin was the difference maker. We have lost plenty of games this year in worse fashion. The annoying part is we can't even beat our rivals. This rivalry isn't what is used to be that's for sure. Heck even the Flyers rivalry with us is border line non existent nowadays. I'm glad the game was somewhat close but sugarcoating aside the only positives from this season is players taking steps forward and Ruff coaching his way out of this organization. We really have been the embarrassment of the league the last decade with teams like Buffalo , Edmonton , Arizona when it comes to winning games. All we can do is hope the players keep improving as the year comes to an end and that Fitz can work some trade/signing magic.

 

[glenwo2]

Social media team and the in arena crew have been calling him Brattman all season though. Pre game, during the game, post game.

Yeah but it looks totally cringe after he was held pointless last night, though.

I'm sure they did it because The Batman premiered today.

That makes it even more cringe.

Heard the movie was Dope, though.

 

[Guttersniped]

I missed the game tonight , made plans with my brother and his kids to go see The Batman (which was good btw). I saw Nico's goal and will probably watch the highlights but I'm glad I missed this one to be honest. It sucks that we are on like a 9 game losing streak against these guys. From what it sounds like on here is that we played a good game for the most part but Shesterkin was the difference maker. We have lost plenty of games this year in worse fashion. The annoying part is we can't even beat our rivals. This rivalry isn't what is used to be that's for sure. Heck even the Flyers rivalry with us is border line non existent nowadays. I'm glad the game was somewhat close but sugarcoating aside the only positives from this season is players taking steps forward and Ruff coaching his way out of this organization. We really have been the embarrassment of the league the last decade with teams like Buffalo , Edmonton , Arizona when it comes to winning games. All we can do is hope the players keep improving as the year comes to an end and that Fitz can work some trade/signing magic.

It’s a 8 game losing streak now. Not 9.

 

[NJ07102]

Let's not forget Daws was a backup goalie in Germany last year and played just a handful of games. Now he is at MSG playing the Rangers just a year later. That is quite a step especially for a young kid like him.

 

[Guadana]

They didn't do a better job of rebuilding. They got 2 franchise level players for free and they wanted to come to NY. Any team could have success doing that.

Take Fox and Panarin off that team and without Shesterkin (who I acknowledged), they are bottom 5 team easily still.

You're complicating things. Even with a mid-level goalie, it's doubtful that rags is a not bottom-10 team.

 

[Better Call Sal]

Anyone who didn't like that game sucks.

Couldn't be prouder of this team from top to bottom.

I hate the f***ing rangers. Lots of learning to do, lots of growing up. I'm totally enamored with just about everybody's game.

Graves is a man.
Siegs is nails.
Nico will be a horse.
Hughes is a superstar.
Loved Sharas game.
Loved Mercers game.
Loved Dawes game.
Absolutely loved McLeod's game.
Liked vesey and Bastian.
Liked how Subban handled himself.

Playoff game.

This is the first legitimate glimmer of hope in 40 games.

I'm not talking about putting up 7 against rookie goaltenders.

This was a game in which a team grows up and sees what is necessary to win in this league.

f*** the Rangers. f*** them on their f***ing asses. We. Are. Coming. up.

 

[ChicksDigTheTrap]

Let's not forget Daws was a backup goalie in Germany last year and played just a handful of games. Now he is at MSG playing the Rangers just a year later. That is quite a step especially for a young kid like him.

We have got used to blaming the goaltenders (me included) but last night was likely not one of those games. Moneypuck runs simulations on games on if the goaltending was average for both teams and his model had the Rangers winning 75% of them. Obviously no model is perfect. IMO Daws deserves a lot of credit for his play last night given he is a 21 year old.

New Jersey Devils vs. New York Rangers - Friday March 4 2022 - MoneyPuck.com

 

[Mgd31]

We have got used to blaming the goaltenders (me included) but last night was likely not one of those games. Moneypuck runs simulations on games on if the goaltending was average for both teams and his model had the Rangers winning 75% of them. Obviously no model is perfect. IMO Daws deserves a lot of credit for his play last night given he is a 21 year old.

New Jersey Devils vs. New York Rangers - Friday March 4 2022 - MoneyPuck.com

I think we played slightly better. I don’t think it was domination, but with normalized goaltending I believe we win. But just my opinion.

 

[Call Me Al]

if shara scored on that crazy hughes setup it would have been a completely different game but that’s what elite goaltending does

 

[ChicksDigTheTrap]

I think we played slightly better. I don’t think it was domination, but with normalized goaltending I believe we win. But just my opinion.

Models are just models and are not perfect. I do like the shot chart. If you do not use it you can put your cursor over the shots and it tells you the percentage of time a shot from that area results in a goal. Note that the Devils only "in tight chance" was credited to Graves. I guess the play JBoq cut to the net did not register as being a shot. One in tight chance from a DMan is not going to cut it. Look at how many in tight chances the Rangers had.

One of the things the chart does IMO is take some of the emotions out of it. I believe some posters were making comments like Shesty robbed Bratt on one of his shots. Those shots typically result in a goal about 2 percent of the time.

 

[TBF1972]

The Rangers won lottery picks twice though, so congrats there.

Btw the original post you jumped on to was continuing a conversation about comparing rebuilds and they were separating Rangers players not acquired from rebuilding assets from those that were. That was the point they were making.

Are you sure you can reach out to Rangers fans with rational arguments?

 

[OmNomNom]

I dont get why people post on opposing teams accounts, pretending to be holier than thou

Everyone knows how biased each forum is about their own teams, obviously

 

[Triumph]

Models are just models and are not perfect. I do like the shot chart. If you do not use it you can put your cursor over the shots and it tells you the percentage of time a shot from that area results in a goal. Note that the Devils only "in tight chance" was credited to Graves. I guess the play JBoq cut to the net did not register as being a shot. One in tight chance from a DMan is not going to cut it. Look at how many in tight chances the Rangers had.

One of the things the chart does IMO is take some of the emotions out of it. I believe some posters were making comments like Shesty robbed Bratt on one of his shots. Those shots typically result in a goal about 2 percent of the time.

If it's not taking into account pre-shot movement then it's not doing great on that Bratt shot, where I don't think he was robbed but it's a much higher chance than 2% of being a goal. Likewise the Rangers' 3rd goal wouldn't look that threatening.

 

[NjDevsRR]

Brilliant take. Take 3 elite players off the team and they would be way worse. Who would have thought? Why stop there? Take Mika and Kreider off as well and they would win the lottery.

Devils and Rangers basically have the same goals forced on the season.

Devils are middle in the pack in shot differential. The Rags have been near the bottom in that stat for the season.

Devils have the worst goaltending, the Rangers have the best.

Swap goaltending and these two teams will basically swap in the standings.

This isn’t hard man.

 

[ChicksDigTheTrap]

If it's not taking into account pre-shot movement then it's not doing great on that Bratt shot, where I don't think he was robbed but it's a much higher chance than 2% of being a goal. Likewise the Rangers' 3rd goal wouldn't look that threatening.

You are making my point. The data is not perfect, but it is based on data from shots from games from 2007-09 season to 2014-15. I guess when data agrees with the eye test it is accurate, when it does not it needs to be challenged.

 

[PKs Broken Stick]

Models are just models and are not perfect. I do like the shot chart. If you do not use it you can put your cursor over the shots and it tells you the percentage of time a shot from that area results in a goal. Note that the Devils only "in tight chance" was credited to Graves. I guess the play JBoq cut to the net did not register as being a shot. One in tight chance from a DMan is not going to cut it. Look at how many in tight chances the Rangers had.

One of the things the chart does IMO is take some of the emotions out of it. I believe some posters were making comments like Shesty robbed Bratt on one of his shots. Those shots typically result in a goal about 2 percent of the time.

I'm assuming you mean against an elite goalie and not a crappy goalie, which is probably what we're used to, on both sides.

Also about the in tight chances, that is something Steve mentioned already, they are severely lacking in it. I'm not as convinced as him though that it's just personnel. Don't get me wrong, they can use massive upgrades but I feel like it's more of a coaching thing (systems).

 

[ChicksDigTheTrap]

I'm assuming you mean against an elite goalie and not a crappy goalie, which is probably what we're used to, on both sides.

Also about the in tight chances, that is something Steve mentioned already, they are severely lacking in it. I'm not as convinced as him though that it's just personnel. Don't get me wrong, they can use massive upgrades but I feel like it's more of a coaching thing (systems).

Here is what it is based on:
This model was built on over 50,000 goals and 800,000 shots in NHL regular season and playoff games from the 2007-2008 to 2014-2015 season with location data. By adding up all the probabilities of a team's shots during a game, we can calculate the team's expected goals in that game.


The point I am trying to make is that over the course of the season the Rangers have been winning games based on Shesty's play. There is a very good case to be made he is the MVP this year. Just using that data from last nights game, you can make the point that Shesty was better than Daws AND the Rangers skaters were better than the Devils skaters. According to the model (which is far from perfect and has flaws) the final should have been something like 3-2. That is basically what I saw.

 

[Camille the Eel]

We have got used to blaming the goaltenders (me included) but last night was likely not one of those games. Moneypuck runs simulations on games on if the goaltending was average for both teams and his model had the Rangers winning 75% of them. Obviously no model is perfect. IMO Daws deserves a lot of credit for his play last night given he is a 21 year old.

New Jersey Devils vs. New York Rangers - Friday March 4 2022 - MoneyPuck.com

I didn't think we were the "better team" last night. But we are much improved vis-a-vis the Rangers, even from earlier in the season. If we had finished a few of our chances and taken the lead in the first period, we would have seen a more intelligible comparison. The Rangers have more come from behind victories than any team in the league. What we saw last night is they like to get a lead and then sort of counter punch and jab, block shots, check, hit and rely on the goalie. But they have another gear they go to when they get challenged. Wednesday against St. Louis when they went down a goal at the end of the second and then won by multiple goals was a typical effort.

That's how the Gallant rangers are different than the Quinn edition. Quinn's club just went non stop end to end. Gallant's plays like he did in Vegas. They try to manage the game.

Dawes let in a couple of softies last night but also made a ton of tough stops. The Rangers also blew a couple of tap ins (one by Strome late in the game when he shanked a shot to an open net). But the most impressive thing about Dawes to me is how he looks like he belongs. He doesn't look overwhelmed or out of place in the NHL the way Gillies and Schmidt have looked. He looks comfortable and indeed has very interesting possibilities as an NHL goalie going forward. He may be a big find in this goalie fiasco this year. Next season we definitely need to add a veteran goaltender with some mileage left on his tires because we really have no idea what to expect from Blackwood when and if he returns. Dawes however has looked as good as anyone in our net this year over a stretch of games during the last couple of weeks.

 

[StevenToddIves]

im not pining for miller by no means…..its a just a pisser that the first ever trade with the rangers was

1. pointless

2. got the team a trojan horse it feels like

and they use the asset to upgrade

In 2018, I had the highest final draft ranking for K'Andre Miller in the business (#10 overall). Normally, I'm not a huge fan of the big/fast/raw defender, but I felt Miller added high compete and intelligence to the mix and displayed tremendous instincts for a kid who had only played defense for two years prior to his draft-eligible campaign.

I had Smith ranked just after Miller, I'm pretty sure it was #12 or #13 overall. I was very high on his future then, though I am very concerned now as Ty Smith seems to have lost some quickness in both his skating and how fast he processes the game. I'm wondering if something is physically wrong with him or if it is simply a confidence problem, but I cannot pretend to have the answer.

The consensus rankings had Smith as the highest ranked defender when the Devils picked at #17, while Miller was generally ranked as a late 1st/early 2nd rounder. So, I fully got it when the Devils took Smith -- whom I was also obviously quite high on. But again, and it's easy to say these things in retrospect, but Miller was probably the best pick for the Devils in 2018.

 

[StevenToddIves]

I didn't think we were the "better team" last night. But we are much improved vis-a-vis the Rangers, even from earlier in the season. If we had finished a few of our chances and taken the lead in the first period, we would have seen a more intelligible comparison. The Rangers have more come from behind victories than any team in the league. What we saw last night is they like to get a lead and then sort of counter punch and jab, block shots, check, hit and rely on the goalie. But they have another gear they go to when they get challenged. Wednesday against St. Louis when they went down a goal at the end of the second and then won by multiple goals was a typical effort.

That's how the Gallant rangers are different than the Quinn edition. Quinn's club just went non stop end to end. Gallant's plays like he did in Vegas. They try to manage the game.

Dawes let in a couple of softies last night but also made a ton of tough stops. The Rangers also blew a couple of tap ins (one by Strome late in the game when he shanked a shot to an open net). But the most impressive thing about Dawes to me is how he looks like he belongs. He doesn't look overwhelmed or out of place in the NHL the way Gillies and Schmidt have looked. He looks comfortable and indeed has very interesting possibilities as an NHL goalie going forward. He may be a big find in this goalie fiasco this year. Next season we definitely need to add a veteran goaltender with some mileage left on his tires because we really have no idea what to expect from Blackwood when and if he returns. Dawes however has looked as good as anyone in our net this year over a stretch of games during the last couple of weeks.

This is an excellent post.

 

[PizzaAndPucks]

It’s a 8 game losing streak now. Not 9.

Don't really care. It's still embarassing.

 

[PizzaAndPucks]

This is an excellent post.

Daws looks to be legit. Under normal circumstances he doesn't get a start in the NHL this year. Some of his losses were a bit ugly but regardless he looks to be an NHL caliber goalie at 21 years old..it's a great sign. I'm hyped for this kid for sure.