GDT: Devils @ Golden Knights, 10 PM, MSG+: Calm Down, Neddily Diddily Diddily

[NJDevs26]

It’s also just not realistic to expect a 50-point player getting 16-18 minutes a night to sign for a 3C role or 3C money

 

[Incharge1976]

I just HAD to check the Vegas GDT. 61 posts total. 61! Sorry folks, but I'm not buying the alleged strong fanbase out there. Yeah, there are going to be some diehards, but I really do want to see that fanbase dwindle as the suckage takes hold.

They tickets will be comped by the casinos. They will always have a big crowd. They may not all be Vegas fans, but they will fill up that arena on most nights.

 

[Buck Dancer]

No need to replace a cheap, young, improving player. Literally not an issue, despite the “interior forward” obsession or whatever. He’s getting good results.

Getting good results? He's useless on the PP, the PK, doesn't block any shots and isn't a menace offensively. The kid is fast AF but has no legit role on our team.

Building a hockey team is all about putting guys in key roles and as of right now, Boqvist doesn't fill any role on our team outside of playing 3C because we have no other options. Your bottom #6 has to be giving you something else than just 5v5 minutes and that's what we're getting from McLeod and Bastian on the PK as well as Johnsson and Tatar on the PP.

Not having your 3C give you anything else but even strenght minutes is not a good way to build a team and it just adds added pressure to the rest of our center depth, which is also not a good thing if we want to make the playoffs.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

I wonder what his zone entry and exit stats look like for earlier in the year to now. It seems like he’s using his borderline elite skating much more and it’s helping him in all zones.

As a center, he is getting the initial pass off the boards in the defensive zone. For the first time since getting here, he has the puck in open ice rather than gunning it down the boards as a stretch option. These are all things I stated for the past 4 years. His skills are best suited for center.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

Getting good results? He's useless on the PP, the PK, doesn't block any shots and isn't a menace offensively. The kid is fast AF but has no legit role on our team.

Building a hockey team is all about putting guys in key roles and as of right now, Boqvist doesn't fill any role on our team outside of playing 3C because we have no other options. Your bottom #6 has to be giving you something else than just 5v5 minutes and that's what we're getting from McLeod and Bastian on the PK as well as Johnsson and Tatar on the PP.

Not having your 3C give you anything else but even strenght minutes is not a good way to build a team and it just adds added pressure to the rest of our center depth, which is also not a good thing if we want to make the playoffs.

Is he poor on the PK? I haven't seen any semblance of an intelligent coaching staff try him there.

 

[NjDevsRR]

I speak the truth, which hurts the ff

So taking one of the worst bottom #6 lineups out of all the 16 teams who are about to make the playoffs, who will most probably get bounced out of the 1st round because of just that, again, justifies your point how exactly?

What it does is actually solidify mine lol

Tor - Kampf .31 PPG
Col - Sturm .28 PPG
Nyr - Chytil .34 PPG
Col - Jarnkrok .45 PPG
Min - Errikson Ek .57 PPG
Tam - Cirelli .58 PPG
Bos - Coyle .54 PPG
Pitt - Blueger .41 PPG
Was - Eller .45 PPG
Nas - Sissons .36 PPG
Dal - Faska .24 PPG
Lak - Lizzote .35 PPG


Boqvist - .4 PPG on season, .53 PPG since given permanent 3C role

So Boqvist is doing better or close to the 3C’s on 12 playoff teams.


You are doing great sweetie.

 

[Buck Dancer]

It’s also just not realistic to expect a 50-point player getting 16-18 minutes a night to sign for a 3C role or 3C money

Why do we have to have a 50 point center? Who's talking about adding another center that will bring us more offense?

What we need is a center that will do something else than just play even strenght minutes. We need a 3C that will be able to play on our PK, giving Nico more responsibilities 5v5 and at the same time, limit his PK duties where he won't have to dive face first to block point shots, limiting the odds of him getting injured.

Jesper Boqvist has no define role on our current team and if he wants to be given that 3rd line job, he better work on other aspects of his game.

 

[Cournoyer12]

I’m really happy for the Hamburglar! I really wish my Habs hadn’t waived him. He plays his angles very well and stands up a little more than most tenders. He gets a little swimmy sometimes and that’s when he runs into trouble. But all in all I think he deserves another shot in the show. If he reminds me of anyone, it’s the late great Johnny Bower within reason of course.

 

[Eggtimer]

No need to replace a cheap, young, improving player. Literally not an issue, despite the “interior forward” obsession or whatever. He’s getting good results.

My take on Boqvist - He has been playing good lately . He is in my opinion the best player I know of for the 3C spot . Could that change ? Yes . Could he improve and be our perfect fit at 3c? Yes . However if an upgrade comes along , then you consider it but for now he is our best option at 3c and has been showing hood as of late .
Would I be in a panic to find a “replacement “ No . Way more important issues than him at 3c . Not my most ideal pick for 3c but for now we need to address finding a goalie and a Subban replacement .
#1 . Find a goalie
#2. Refer to #1.
3. Find replacement RHD for Subban ( Mason Gudbransen Lubushkyn
4. Supplement the core forwards ( Jack Bratt Nico Mercer ) with players like Nuke / Neiderrieder / Marchment
5. Possibly add one top 6 winger if it’s a good fit ( Emergence of Holtz may make this not as important )

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

Why do we have to have a 50 point center? Who's talking about adding another center that will bring us more offense?

What we need is a center that will do something else than just play even strenght minutes. We need a 3C that will be able to play on our PK, giving Nico more responsibilities 5v5 and at the same time, limit his PK duties where he won't have to dive face first to block point shots, limiting the odds of him getting injured.

Jesper Boqvist has no define role on our current team and if he wants to be given that 3rd line job, he better work on other aspects of his game.

Once again, just because the clown coaching staff who misused Boqvist for two years don't use him on the PK doesn't mean he wouldn't be very good at it.

 

[Buck Dancer]

Once again, just because the clown coaching staff who misused Boqvist for two years don't use him on the PK doesn't mean he wouldn't be very good at it.

One would think that in a lost season where the games mean absolutely nothing... they would try him there, no? They probably see something at practice and that's all they need to know he's not fit for that role.

Did he play on the PK in Utica and if so, was he any good at it?

 

[NjDevsRR]

*Is given numbers to show Jesper has been an above average 3c in terms of points*

*is given numbers to show Jesper is pushing play at a high rate for a 3c*

*is given context on Jespers usage by the staff*

*ignores all and says Jesper doesn’t provide what we need for a 3c with no statistics to back it up*

*constantly moves goal post and attacks posters who makes memes instead*


Yeah, you’ve lost the argument going down that road.

 

[Triumph]

Getting good results? He's useless on the PP, the PK, doesn't block any shots and isn't a menace offensively. The kid is fast AF but has no legit role on our team.

He is -2 5v5. Those are good results on this team. He could easily be used on the PP and I think he could learn to kill penalties as well, they used him there for a bit the other day. Boqvist ranks 137th out of 427 forwards in points/60, he is scoring at a 2nd line rate.

Building a hockey team is all about putting guys in key roles and as of right now, Boqvist doesn't fill any role on our team outside of playing 3C because we have no other options. Your bottom #6 has to be giving you something else than just 5v5 minutes and that's what we're getting from McLeod and Bastian on the PK as well as Johnsson and Tatar on the PP.

No they don't, you're just saying they do because it's something you say. The line that comes out after an unsuccessful PP is also quite important, the opposition almost always puts out their top line after they kill a penalty and that shift is a big deal, too.

Not having your 3C give you anything else but even strenght minutes is not a good way to build a team and it just adds added pressure to the rest of our center depth, which is also not a good thing if we want to make the playoffs.

Blather. Again, Boqvist could easily go on the 2nd unit PP, they just don't put him there. He's thriving in the role he has now, let's see how he comes into training camp next season. He could be killing penalties next year.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

One would think that in a lost season where the games mean absolutely nothing... they would try him there, no? They probably see something at practice and that's all they need to know he's not fit for that role.

Did he play on the PK in Utica and if so, was he any good at it?

Once again, you are giving this coaching staff credit. Anyone with a semblance of intelligence would see his length and skating ability would make him a natural fit on the PK. This is the same coaching staff that thinks McLeod vs tops is a good idea. "You need grit to play defense."

 

[Buck Dancer]

*moves goal post*

I haven’t played video games since N64 lmao your posts are horrendous. I do love my memes for HF tho, also love calling out posters who can’t back up anything with stats like you.

Cheers.

Thinking that a bottom 6 is judged on goals and assists is exactly why Dubas and the Toronto Maple Leafs keep on getting bounced in the 1st round. It's also why the prices of guys like Lehkonen, Hagel, Chariot, etc are all astranomical compared to the more skilled players, because the smart GM's know exactly what they need to go far in the postseason whereas dumber GM's are wasting assets on a roster that ressembles a fantasy team.

For a fan who roots for the New Jersey Devils, a team that had one of the best 3rd line in hockey for years, if not decades during our glory days, one would think that you would understand the meaning of "having a role" on a 20 man roster and bypass this nonsense of goals and assits.

Going with a winning formula and looking at history is always a good way of building a blueprint. Trying to reinvent the wheel will leave you scratching your head more often than not.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

We also could end up picking a center in the draft depending on the order.

Getting good results? He's useless on the PP, the PK, doesn't block any shots and isn't a menace offensively. The kid is fast AF but has no legit role on our team.

Building a hockey team is all about putting guys in key roles and as of right now, Boqvist doesn't fill any role on our team outside of playing 3C because we have no other options. Your bottom #6 has to be giving you something else than just 5v5 minutes and that's what we're getting from McLeod and Bastian on the PK as well as Johnsson and Tatar on the PP.

Not having your 3C give you anything else but even strenght minutes is not a good way to build a team and it just adds added pressure to the rest of our center depth, which is also not a good thing if we want to make the playoffs.

You have no clue if he’s useless on the PP or PK actually, given that he’s been used there sparingly. “He has no legit role on this team” doesn’t mean anything to me. He has the role of 3C and is performing quite well, actually. Why would I want a shot blocking plug as my 3C? If you’re blocking a lot of shots, you probably don’t have the puck and are going to get injured if you do it enough.

The PK has been good so I don’t know why it matter if our 3C is on the PK or not. What 3C are we bringing in to bolster our PP? Who is getting bumped off the top unit for this magical player? It’s a coaching issue anyway.

 

[Buck Dancer]

Once again, you are giving this coaching staff credit. Anyone with a semblance of intelligence would see his length and skating ability would make him a natural fit on the PK. This is the same coaching staff that thinks McLeod vs tops is a good idea. "You need grit to play defense."

Being a good skater doesn't make you a good defensive player... what kind of logic is that? Mark Stone, who's one of the best defensive forwards in the game is a very average skater.

What makes you a good defensive player is your sence of anticipation and knowing where the play will go before it actually happens. Being one step ahead of the play will make you a good, responsible, defensive player... not speed or being good on your edges.

 

[Triumph]

Once again, you are giving this coaching staff credit. Anyone with a semblance of intelligence would see his length and skating ability would make him a natural fit on the PK. This is the same coaching staff that thinks McLeod vs tops is a good idea. "You need grit to play defense."

They're using him there a bit lately. He got a shift there in the Vegas and Avs games, and played 2 or 3 PK shifts against Arizona.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Being a good skater doesn't make you a good defensive player... what kind of logic is that? Mark Stone, who's one of the best defensive forwards in the game is a very average skater.

What makes you a good defensive player is your sence of anticipation and knowing where the play will go before it actually happens. Being one step ahead of the play will make you a good, responsible, defensive player... not speed or being good on your edges.

Luckily Boqvist has actually shown some of those qualities in this latest stretch, in addition to an elite skating package. If you have a 3C that is respectable defensively while also pushing play a little and providing offense at a decent clip…that’s fine. The Devils have basically the best center depth they’ve had…ever? And we’re focusing on this?

 

[Buck Dancer]

We also could end up picking a center in the draft depending on the order.

You have no clue if he’s useless on the PP or PK actually, given that he’s been used there sparingly. “He has no legit role on this team” doesn’t mean anything to me. He has the role of 3C and is performing quite well, actually. Why would I want a shot blocking plug as my 3C? If you’re blocking a lot of shots, you probably don’t have the puck and are going to get injured if you do it enough.

The PK has been good so I don’t know why it matter if our 3C is on the PK or not. What 3C are we bringing in to bolster our PP? Who is getting bumped off the top unit for this magical player? It’s a coaching issue anyway.

He hasn't been utilized on the PK and the PK because we have better options, that's the entire point of getting someone better who'll bump someone down a notch. That's a team goes from mediocre to average and from average to good and from average to great and so on and so forth.

Getting a solid PK'er will prevent Nico from throwing his body in front of shots on our main PK unit. Just that alone would be a big win for our team because we wouldn't have one of our studs risking an injury, which would cripple our top #6 as well.

This season is lost, we all know this, so why not try if he's any good at it? Coaches see things at practice and they know what type of players they have at their disposal and they probably know and have seen that he's just not cut out to be on the PK, which is ok if that's the case. What it does is just confirm that Fitz needs to bolster our center depth that isn't all that great once you remove Jack and Nico. McLeod is a serviceable 4C that is being asked to do a little too much and that reason is because there's no buffer between Nico (2C) and Michael (4C).

 

[Buck Dancer]

Luckily Boqvist has actually shown some of those qualities in this latest stretch, in addition to an elite skating package. If you have a 3C that is respectable defensively while also pushing play a little and providing offense at a decent clip…that’s fine. The Devils have basically the best center depth they’ve had…ever? And we’re focusing on this?

If he can be good defensively and do what he does with the puck, that would be HUGE for us moving forward. I don't want to replace him at all cost but to say he's a lock to be our 3C next year and he won't see any PK time, is a major major gamble we don't have to take.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

He hasn't been utilized on the PK and the PK because we have better options, that's the entire point of getting someone better who'll bump someone down a notch. That's a team goes from mediocre to average and from average to good and from average to great and so on and so forth.

Getting a solid PK'er will prevent Nico from throwing his body in front of shots on our main PK unit. Just that alone would be a big win for our team because we wouldn't have one of our studs risking an injury, which would cripple our top #6 as well.

This season is lost, we all know this, so why not try if he's any good at it? Coaches see things at practice and they know what type of players they have at their disposal and they probably know and have seen that he's just not cut out to be on the PK, which is ok if that's the case. What it does is just confirm that Fitz needs to bolster our center depth that isn't all that great once you remove Jack and Nico. McLeod is a serviceable 4C that is being asked to do a little too much and that reason is because there's no buffer between Nico (2C) and Michael (4C).

Well he has been used on the PK a little bit the last few games. And wow, yeah our center depth isn’t good when you take away the 1C and the 2C.

So the player you want needs to be:
- available
- a mythical “interior forward” with physicality
- provide defensive value at 5 on 5
- provide some scoring punch
- the ability to PK and actually do it well
- the ability to help the PP
- do all this while being paid like a 3C

 

[Triumph]

Well he has been used on the PK a little bit the last few games. And wow, yeah our center depth isn’t good when you take away the 1C and the 2C.

So the player you want needs to be:
- available
- a mythical “interior forward” with physicality
- provide defensive value at 5 on 5
- provide some scoring punch
- the ability to PK and actually do it well
- the ability to help the PP
- do all this while being paid like a 3C

He could name 20 guys who could do this, but the only one that comes to mind is Andrew Copp, a guy who is in no way a 3C and would never sign here.

 

[NjDevsRR]

Well he has been used on the PK a little bit the last few games. And wow, yeah our center depth isn’t good when you take away the 1C and the 2C.

So the player you want needs to be:
- available
- a mythical “interior forward” with physicality
- provide defensive value at 5 on 5
- provide some scoring punch
- the ability to PK and actually do it well
- the ability to help the PP
- do all this while being paid like a 3C

So, Boqvist it is lol and he will be cheap.

 

[Buck Dancer]

Well he has been used on the PK a little bit the last few games. And wow, yeah our center depth isn’t good when you take away the 1C and the 2C.

So the player you want needs to be:
- available
- a mythical “interior forward” with physicality
- provide defensive value at 5 on 5
- provide some scoring punch
- the ability to PK and actually do it well
- the ability to help the PP
- do all this while being paid like a 3C

Absolutely not... but that's what you seem to be thinking, for some odd reason. If our 3C can do 2 things out of that, it's already a major leap over what we have at the moment.

Ideally, being good defensively at 5 on 5 and being able to play a key role on our PK is what you look for in a 3C, unless your Kyle Dubas. With all the firepower we have, I don't want him to play on our PP and providing some scoring punch isn't a necessity because we have several other players who can pick up the slack.

If we had a winger that would do those things as well, I'd keep Boqvist right where he is now but we don't. If we had a Lekhonen for example who would be a stud defensively, I wouldn't care as much if Boqvist couldn't do the things I'm asking from our 3C. The thing is that we would still ask too much of Nico and Michael and we'd be right back to square one.