Devils 2019 offseason team discussion (news and notes) VI

[Hischier and Hughes]

Subban makes sense

literally doesnt - but sure lets add more defenseman who are poor in their own zone

 

[RSeen]

literally doesnt - but sure lets add more defenseman who are poor in their own zone

He is not poor in his own zone...Prior to this year he was a guy considered top 5 Dman in the league. Just because you are offensively talented and creative does not equate to being weak defensively.

 

[TheDuke93]

Problem is it could be too late.

I sure as hell hope we dont rush and make half-smart additions like Trouba and Subban simply to make upgrades.

Its just odd. People comment Shero was rightfully patient or couldnt find the right moves - yet somehow he can make all the right moves in the most crucial offseason yet no problem

It takes two to make a deal work, that is how its always been, but when you start to see the light at the end of the tunnel you can be a little bolder with your moves because of the fact that you are supplementing your good scouting and drafting with FA pieces or trades to finish the roster. You don't have to worry as much about tying big money into a guy that doesn't really help you win because the team is not ready to win, I feel like we are ready now and I would bet Shero is to.

 

[TheDuke93]

literally doesnt - but sure lets add more defenseman who are poor in their own zone

This is beyond laughable lol.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

He is not poor in his own zone...Prior to this year he was a guy considered top 5 Dman in the league. Just because you are offensively talented and creative does not equate to being weak defensively.

PK Subban is not good defensively

What next, Erik Karlsson is good defensively because hes a top 5 dmam?

Theres a reason Subban doesnt play the last minutes of a game protecting a lead

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

It takes two to make a deal work, that is how its always been, but when you start to see the light at the end of the tunnel you can be a little bolder with your moves because of the fact that you are supplementing your good scouting and drafting with FA pieces or trades to finish the roster. You don't have to worry as much about tying big money into a guy that doesn't really help you win because the team is not ready to win, I feel like we are ready now and I would bet Shero is to.

More excuses for why Shero was inactive

Its all hogwash. The man couldnt scrap a deal together and now will likely have to pay extra to do so in time for next seasons start

 

[devilsblood]

literally doesnt - but sure lets add more defenseman who are poor in their own zone

I know we read the same regarding Trouba, but I think Subban would be our best d-man hands down.

Is he poor in his own zone? I don't know that. I mean he's not a defense first and foremost guy, but Lovejoy was that, and I doubt that is what people want.

If we could somehow make this trade around Vats plus a little, and make out because Nashville is a little cap strapped I'd be all over it.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

Id rather let Taylor go for futures than waste assets trying to fit dmen who dont fit our current roster like Subban and Trouba

 

[devilsblood]

PK Subban is not good defensively

What next, Erik Karlsson is good defensively because hes a top 5 dmam?

Theres a reason Subban doesnt play the last minutes of a game protecting a lead

Because he is on one of the few teams with a better rhd then him?

 

[Billdo]

Anaheim is trying to move Perry. Would you guys take his 8.6 hit for two more years if they gave us a first this year? I'm inclined to say yes.

 

[Billdo]

literally doesnt - but sure lets add more defenseman who are poor in their own zone

He's not "poor" in his own zone. Just because they've got better guys in their own zone (like the closing minutes of a game that you referenced) doesn't mean he's poor in the d zone.

 

[devilsblood]

Anaheim is trying to move Perry. Would you guys take his 8.6 hit for two more years if they gave us a first this year? I'm inclined to say yes.

Are they really offering a 1st?

 

[MadDevil]

PK Subban is not good defensively

What next, Erik Karlsson is good defensively because hes a top 5 dmam?

Theres a reason Subban doesnt play the last minutes of a game protecting a lead

So who do you want? You complain constantly about how Shero didn't fix the defense, then complain about every defenseman people bring up as a possible upgrade.

 

[devilsblood]

And for the record, when leading(ie protecting a lead), Subban, on average played more minutes per game then any rhd on Nashville.

Only Ekholm (6:47 per) played more then Subban (6:32) amongst all d-men .

Last year PK led all Nashville D-men. Edit: that goes for the year prior as well.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

Anaheim is trying to move Perry. Would you guys take his 8.6 hit for two more years if they gave us a first this year? I'm inclined to say yes.

why are we still taking on cap dumps if we plan on making upgrades?

Its one or the other. Either we start pushing for continual playoffs or we move Taylor and continue piling futures

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

So who do you want? You complain constantly about how Shero didn't fix the defense, then complain about every defenseman people bring up as a possible upgrade.

Because nobody is bringing up LHD

I have yet to shoot down a single LHD besides Gardiner

 

[Billdo]

Are they really offering a 1st?

From what I've read it might not be out of the realm of possibilities.

 

[MadDevil]

Because nobody is bringing up LHD

I have yet to shoot down a single LHD besides Gardiner

Could that be because there simply aren't many LHD that actually fill our needs available?

 

[Billdo]

why are we still taking on cap dumps if we plan on making upgrades?

Its one or the other. Either we start pushing for continual playoffs or we move Taylor and continue piling futures

Because the first holds a significant value?

 

[devilsblood]

why are we still taking on cap dumps if we plan on making upgrades?

Its one or the other. Either we start pushing for continual playoffs or we move Taylor and continue piling futures

Or you do both, get Perry and a 1st, then trade that 1st for an upgrade.

Stop thinking so small.

 

[Billdo]

So who do you want? You complain constantly about how Shero didn't fix the defense, then complain about every defenseman people bring up as a possible upgrade.

This. So much this. Truest post I've read in a while.

 

[devilsblood]

Because nobody is bringing up LHD

I have yet to shoot down a single LHD besides Gardiner

So Brodie or Brodin?

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

Could that be because there simply aren't many LHD that actually fill our needs available?

How many of Shero's acquisitions were known to be available?

So Brodie or Brodin?

Ive offered deals for both

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

Or you do both, get Perry and a 1st, then trade that 1st for an upgrade.

Stop thinking so small.

Yeah sure, Anaheim is gonna retain salary and offer a 1st

Dreamworld

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

So now were accepting cap dumps and upgrades, lets just ice a 24 man roster while were at it