Devils 2018-19 team discussion (news and notes) part VI

[Hischier and Hughes]

I could care less about how the team places, come end of season, when it comes to this Hynes debacle

The guy's systems have always been shit but I gave him the benefit of having had some success with the team and Hall.

Now I begin to wonder how much better a guy like Hischier and Bratt Zacha could be doing in an actual NHL system. How our defenseman would force far less with a real NHL defensive scheme

 

[135ace]

There's a point at which you're jumping through a **** ton of hoops to criticize Severson in isolation, when every other d-man commits unforced errors at the same or worse rate but none of them send the puck going the other way as well as he does.

The problem is the coach. It will take a hell of a win streak won in a convincing fashion for me to give Hynes a pass for the stupid system we currently have. I think the roster is actually better than people believe, not worse.

I agree. I think the next month decides our fate as well as Hynes. If he doesn't manage to bring us above 500 by early/mid December we're screwed. To be honest we should do better, but if we don't improve ASAP we start a pretty brutal stretch on Nov 30 with games against the Caps, Jets, and Tampa followed by a 3 game California road trip.

 

[Cult of Hynes]

I agree. I think the next month decides our fate as well as Hynes. If he doesn't manage to bring us above 500 by early/mid December we're screwed. To be honest we should do better, but if we don't improve ASAP we start a pretty brutal stretch on Nov 30 with games against the Caps, Jets, and Tampa followed by a 3 game California road trip.

If we are not in a playoff position by the end of next week, we most likely won't be a playoffs at the end of the season. I froget the stats, but you most of the teams in playoff positions around / just after American Thanksgiving will most likely make the playoffs, where most teams no in that position around / just after American Thanksgiving, don't make it.

 

[Billdo]

It's not hard given he still makes way too many defensive mistakes.

I'd rather he play flawless defense and have 2 points this year.

His season has been weird. In the preseason he was making dumb mistakes like always, then once the season started it was like a light was switched and he was playing really solid (the best in his entire career I'd say). The last 4 or 5 games though, he's back to "I dont want to play defense" mode, and that's bad.

Statistically though he's been very solid.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Package Butcher and Mojo. Have to be worth something.

 

[glenwo2]

Package Butcher and Mojo. Have to be worth something.

Has Butcher been THAT BAD?

I know MoJo sucks but....Butcher?

 

[Bleedred]

Package Butcher and Mojo. Have to be worth something.

I wouldn't trade Butcher right now unless it's for a better defenseman. If it's for an upgrade on D, then I think we can do it.

Until Smith is ready, then maybe he becomes more expendable.

 

[Bleedred]

If we are not in a playoff position by the end of next week, we most likely won't be a playoffs at the end of the season. I froget the stats, but you most of the teams in playoff positions around / just after American Thanksgiving will most likely make the playoffs, where most teams no in that position around / just after American Thanksgiving, don't make it.

Funny enough, we were in a playoff spot in 2016 and missed the playoffs anyway.

It will be hard to be in a playoff spot by Thanksgiving right now, if not just because other teams have played more games than us and I think we'll still have games in hand on most teams by then. Which isn't a bad thing for the rest of the season, but it might cause us not to be in a spot by Thanksgiving, even if we turn it around here.

 

[haak84]

so we cant afford to play cory in 3 of 6 starts again until we are in a playoff or are completely out of it.

 

[NJDevs26]

Guess Blake needs to sue for copyright infringement

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Butcher is still banged up from that awful hit he took into boards.

 

[NJDevs26]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Butcher is still banged up from that awful hit he took into boards.

I've thought that in the back of my mind too, since his stretch of playing badly didn't really begin till after that.

 

[Nubmer6]

Guess Blake needs to sue for copyright infringement

Coleman to Montreal (E5)

 

[LoktionovMVP]

Classic HF spitball here but would a MoJo/Brassard deal make sense to anyone else or is my half baked thought just that?

 

[R8Devs]

Package Butcher and Mojo. Have to be worth something.

for nylander. kidding

 

[NjDevsRR]

Don’t think we will be shopping Johansson and his value is low with his concussions, he was only worth a 2nd and 3rd to begin with. Best to hold onto him and hope he turns it on. It also seems like he has been a good role model for his fellow Swede in Bratt.

 

[Emperoreddy]

We absolutely shouldn’t be resigning him so we need to trade him to get some value back. If we hold him past the deadline he legit won’t have any value.

Shero can absolutely sell that he simply needs a change of scenery to get back to his Caps scoring ways.

 

[Bleedred]

so we cant afford to play cory in 3 of 6 starts again until we are in a playoff or are completely out of it.

I don’t think we will be doing that any time soon. Hynes knows he isn’t the best goalie on the roster and will get him fired sooner than otherwise. The first game he played, was after a blowout and he was gonna play anyway at some point. The second game was the second half a back to back. The last game was after a blowout, but that’s the last time I would do that for a while. If we’re blown out with Keith, he needs to go right back to him the next game. The same way you would go right back to your clear cut starting goalie. As of this moment, I wouldn’t even play Cory on Sunday.

Sadly, we’re going to have to play him at some point, but we’ve seen enough of him for the last two weeks, that we shouldn’t have to see any more of him for this one. The bottom line is that one goalie hasn’t allowed fewer than 3 goals in 16 straight regular season starts, while the other has allowed fewer than 3 goals in 3 of his last 4 starts. One goalie has been blown out in 2 of his 3 starts this year, while the other has only been blown out twice this entire year and has started all but 3 games.

 

[Blender]

We absolutely shouldn’t be resigning him so we need to trade him to get some value back. If we hold him past the deadline he legit won’t have any value.

Shero can absolutely sell that he simply needs a change of scenery to get back to his Caps scoring ways.

Make a hockey trade and move him for some other guy that needs a change of scenery. You don't have to dump him for picks, but just get rid of him.

 

[devilsblood]

I could care less about how the team places, come end of season, when it comes to this Hynes debacle

The guy's systems have always been **** but I gave him the benefit of having had some success with the team and Hall.

Now I begin to wonder how much better a guy like Hischier and Bratt Zacha could be doing in an actual NHL system. How our defenseman would force far less with a real NHL defensive scheme

A lot of teams are going in the same direction though, fast, attacking. So I don't think Hynes' style is that far out of step.

And while Zacha I could see performing well in a more traditional style, Bratt early last year was the prototype of our style of play, (Hall too for that matter) and Nico seemed to do just fine as well.

 

[devilsblood]

Package Butcher and Mojo. Have to be worth something.

I wouldn't move Butcher right now, if we hope to get back into the mix he is very much a key, but come trade deadline if we are not in the mix, Mojo and Butcher are 2 guys that I think will be available.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

the talk of trading Butcher right now is insanity. You guys are crazy.

 

[devilsblood]

I agree, right now trading Butcher should not be on the table.

But come trade deadline if we are out of the playoff race and Smith looks like he is a lock for the team next year? A trade would make sense.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

I agree, right now trading Butcher should not be on the table.

But come trade deadline if we are out of the playoff race and Smith looks like he is a lock for the team next year? A trade would make sense.

it really wouldn't.

Butcher is RFA. Its not like he will walk.

 

[MartyOwns]

I agree, right now trading Butcher should not be on the table.

But come trade deadline if we are out of the playoff race and Smith looks like he is a lock for the team next year? A trade would make sense.

why can’t we have more than one offensive minded defensemen on our roster at once? if smith is truly a first pairing defenseman, it won’t encroach on butcher at all