Proposal: Detroit - Montreal

[Leadzedder]

How about something like this...

Nyquist 4.75
Mrazek 4.00
Ouellet 1.25

For

Galchenyuk 4.90
Juulsen 0.86
Pick (1st?)

Certainly improves Montreal. They are adding 4.25 in cap but have the room. If Mrazek isn’t needed, feel free to rework the deal.

For Detroit, it alleviates the cap issues and shuffles the deck.

Thoughts?

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[izzy]

why mtl take mrazek with the price contract

 

[David25]

Replace Mrazek with Green or Tatar

 

[Tatar Shots]

That is pretty terrible for Montreal

 

[HomeAndHome]

Montreal doesn't need another goalie, especially an expensive backup heading into RFA. Is Nyquist really an improvement over Galchenyuk? And I'm sure Montreal would rather see what they have in Juulsen than trade him and a first for something that doesn't really improve the team

 

[Leadzedder]

Unsure. I thought I read somewhere that Mrazek to Montreal might be of interest. If I’m off base, what’s a fair deal with Mrazek removed. As a wings fan, I don’t even want to deal Mrazek til he value rebounds. Maybe not at all.

 

[Leadzedder]

That is pretty terrible for Montreal

Terrible for Montreal? How so? Getting Nyquist for Galxhenyuk is a huge win. No?

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

How about something like this...

Nyquist 4.75
Mrazek 4.00
Ouellet 1.25

For

Galchenyuk 4.90
Juulsen 0.86
Pick (1st?)

Certainly improves Montreal. They are adding 4.25 in cap but have the room. If Mrazek isn’t needed, feel free to rework the deal.

For Detroit, it alleviates the cap issues and shuffles the deck.

Thoughts?

As a Wings fan i would do it, Galchenyuk is an upgrade over Nyquist and i wouldn't mind Juulsen this is the only way we could afford Galchenyuk. Pretty much the same kind of deal i was thinking of.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

why mtl take mrazek with the price contract

You could afford Mrazek for this year, Mrazek would be a decent backup for Price. And if he doesn't work out then MB doesn't qualify Mrazek next summer and he becomes a UFA no big deal.

 

[Tatar Shots]

Terrible for Montreal? How so? Getting Nyquist for Galxhenyuk is a huge win. No?

Galchenyuk is much younger than Nyquist and is at least as good of a point producer. Even if you want to go on the stretch that they have equal value, the rest of the trade is Mrazek + Ouellet for Juulsen + 1st. I'm not much of a Juulsen fan but that is incredibly awful for Montreal. Juulsen has similar pedigree to Ouellet a couple years ago, who hasn't exactly panned out well. And Detroit can't even give Mrazek away at this point.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Replace Mrazek with Green or Tatar

Green will only get moved at the TDL if we're out of it, And Tatar just isn't available.

 

[Hostile Offer]

Terrible for Montreal? How so? Getting Nyquist for Galxhenyuk is a huge win. No?

How is Nyquist for Galchenyuk a win for Montreal? Nyquist is older, less productive and he enters UFA sooner.

 

[Leadzedder]

As a Wings fan i would do it, Galchenyuk is an upgrade over Nyquist and i wouldn't mind Juulsen this is the only way we could afford Galchenyuk. Pretty much the same kind of deal i was thinking of.

Upgrade with risk? Or just straight up upgrade? Honestly I don’t know much about Galchenyuk or Juulsen.

I know AG’s current line doesn’t dictate his value but I would think turning that current situation into Nyquist would be a good thing for Montreal.

 

[HomeAndHome]

You could afford Mrazek for this year, Mrazek would be a decent backup for Price. And if he doesn't work out then MB doesn't qualify Mrazek next summer and he becomes a UFA no big deal.

So Montreal gives up the better player in a deal, plus a first, plus a decent defensive prospect for... Nyquist and whoever Ouellett is?

 

[Leadzedder]

Galchenyuk is much younger than Nyquist and is at least as good of a point producer. Even if you want to go on the stretch that they have equal value, the rest of the trade is Mrazek + Ouellet for Juulsen + 1st. I'm not much of a Juulsen fan but that is incredibly awful for Montreal. Juulsen has similar pedigree to Ouellet a couple years ago, who hasn't exactly panned out well. And Detroit can't even give Mrazek away at this point.

I would love for the wings to get another 1st but ok.... let’s drop the extra stuff.

Is Nyquist for Galchenyuk a deal both sides would agree with?

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

How is Nyquist for Galchenyuk a win for Montreal? Nyquist is older, less productive and he enters UFA sooner.

I agree with the younger part on Galchenyuk, But if you look at Chucky and Nyquist career numbers they're pretty identical and Nyquist only goes to UFA one year sooner then Chucky.

 

[Hostile Offer]

I would love for the wings to get another 1st but ok.... let’s drop the extra stuff.

Is Nyquist for Galchenyuk a deal both sides would agree with?

Detroit adds but it's not bad as a base for a trade.

 

[Leadzedder]

So Montreal gives up the better player in a deal, plus a first, plus a decent defensive prospect for... Nyquist and whoever Ouellett is?

If you can’t be bothered to add in Mrazeks name and aren’t sure who Ouellet is then I can see how the deal would look lopsided.

Just the 2 core players then.

 

[HisNoodliness]

Sorry MTL fans...this one's no good. Galchenyuk>Nyquist and Juulsen+1st>>>Mrazek+XO. If Mrazek is replaced by Green it'd probably be closer to fair...but even then I don't think it is. I don't think there's a deal to be had between these teams, but if there is it's probably something around Green for the 1st at the deadline.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

I would love for the wings to get another 1st but ok.... let’s drop the extra stuff.

Is Nyquist for Galchenyuk a deal both sides would agree with?

I'd personally consider Nyquist for Galchenyuk, Pretty sure that's the only way of affording Galchenyuk. Nyquist 2 years at $4.75 million and Galchenyuk 3 years at $4.9 million so pretty close and Chucky is 5 years younger then Goose and would fit our rebuild perfectly.

 

[Leadzedder]

The issue that I’ve read with AG is his lack of defensive play. Nyquist isn’t some defensive super player but he certainly plays 200 feet. Montreal would be getting a similiar value forward with out the current issues.

I think.

 

[HomeAndHome]

If you can’t be bothered to add in Mrazeks name and aren’t sure who Ouellet is then I can see how the deal would look lopsided.

Just the 2 core players then.

I was replying to having Mrazek as a backup for one year then not qualify him the next year. That's a waste of assets, especially giving away our first and one of our better prospects the way Montreal's season is going. And I know who Ouellett is, I was just exaggerating to show we don't need another 5/6 d-man.

Galchenyuk for Nyquist is an ok starting point, just no to the proposed add ons

 

[Tatar Shots]

I would love for the wings to get another 1st but ok.... let’s drop the extra stuff.

Is Nyquist for Galchenyuk a deal both sides would agree with?

I doubt you would get many Habs posters who would be OK with it. We really don't know how poorly the Habs organization views Galchenyuk. I think value pretty clearly still favors the Wings and Montreal should look for a younger player. I think you would have better luck trying to frame a deal around Galchenyuk and AA. Similar age, both seem to have fallen out of favor with their organizations and both have shown an ability to score goals. If Montreal is dead set on moving Galchenyuk, a similar aged forward who is a significantly better skater is an avenue they might want to pursue. How much Detroit adds would be the question.

As a side note, when it was reported that Holland was not interested in moving Helm, it got me thinking that the Habs may have asked for a trade around Helm + AA for Galchenyuk. Helm seems like a player Bergevin would want and could slot into a center role in Montreal.

 

[Leadzedder]

Seems maybe I got greedy with the 1st. In my defense I did have a question mark stuck in there.

And I figured any player with a French last name was worth at least a 2nd to the Habs.

If Mrazek and Ouellet are removed I’d still be interested. Just for the sake of change.

 

[Leadzedder]

I doubt you would get many Habs posters who would be OK with it. We really don't know how poorly the Habs organization views Galchenyuk. I think value pretty clearly still favors the Wings and Montreal should look for a younger player. I think you would have better luck trying to frame a deal around Galchenyuk and AA. Similar age, both seem to have fallen out of favor with their organizations and both have shown an ability to score goals. If Montreal is dead set on moving Galchenyuk, a similar aged forward who is a significantly better skater is an avenue they might want to pursue. How much Detroit adds would be the question.

As a side note, when it was reported that Holland was not interested in moving Helm, it got me thinking that the Habs may have asked for a trade around Helm + AA for Galchenyuk. Helm seems like a player Bergevin would want and could slot into a center role in Montreal.

Yeah. Good feedback. Personally I’m not interested in moving AA. He’ll sign this week and all this will be forgotten (for 2 years).