Confirmed Trade: [DET/SJS] Nyquist [30% Retained] for 2019 2nd, 2020 3rd

[PullHard]

Pretty disappointed as a Wings fan. The full NTC probably weighs into the value here. Glad in general that Holland is selling and gathering picks but it's just simply not enough coming back IMO. Maybe I'm biased but it seems like a lot of neutral fans in here think the same thing.

Anyway gotta apologize to Rangers fans for poopooing the Zuccarello trade. Their return was better than this.

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

How can they trade a 2019 second???


San Jose's own 2019 2nd will go to Buffalo if San Jose misses the 2019 playoffs again, unlikely, but technically still possible, and San Jose is supposed to respect that condition...

And on top of that, Ottawa will get the higher of San Jose or Florida's 2019 2nds (which, until Florida mathematically cannot surpass San Jose, San Jose is supposed to, again, keep the picks available).
(Ottawa agreed to their conditional deal knowing it was potentially tied up in the Buffalo deal and they may be limited to just Florida's pick as the option.)


There has to be an additional condition on that, bc technically, San Jose still could end up with no 2nd to give Detroit...



I think I am going insane from this deadline

No, their 2019 2nd would have gone to Buffalo if they didn’t sign Kane. It’s their 2020 1st that Buffalo gets if they miss the playoffs.

 

[WingsMJN2965]

How can they trade a 2019 second???


San Jose's own 2019 2nd will go to Buffalo if San Jose misses the 2019 playoffs again, unlikely, but technically still possible, and San Jose is supposed to respect that condition...

And on top of that, Ottawa will get the higher of San Jose or Florida's 2019 2nds (which, until Florida mathematically cannot surpass San Jose, San Jose is supposed to, again, keep the picks available).
(Ottawa agreed to their conditional deal knowing it was potentially tied up in the Buffalo deal and they may be limited to just Florida's pick as the option.)


There has to be an additional condition on that, bc technically, San Jose still could end up with no 2nd to give Detroit...



I think I am going insane from this deadline

They own Florida's. Hopefully it's that one.

 

[Kcb12345]

Such a steal for the Sharks. Dirt cheap deal here

 

[Davo Ikinzom]

That was very stupid of you Detroit.

 

[Unfriendly Ghost]

Zuccarello got 2 conditional 1sts. This is at best 2 2nds.

But honestly, Zuccarello should be a much better playoff performer. Nyquist is... yeah. I'm slightly surprised that other teams want him at the deadline, because he has never shown up for Detroit in the playoffs.

 

[kanucks25]

Another fantastic trade by Doug Wilson, guy does work.

 

[Marc the Habs Fan]

How can they trade a 2019 second???


San Jose's own 2019 2nd will go to Buffalo if San Jose misses the 2019 playoffs again, unlikely, but technically still possible, and San Jose is supposed to respect that condition...

And on top of that, Ottawa will get the higher of San Jose or Florida's 2019 2nds (which, until Florida mathematically cannot surpass San Jose, San Jose is supposed to, again, keep the picks available).
(Ottawa agreed to their conditional deal knowing it was potentially tied up in the Buffalo deal and they may be limited to just Florida's pick as the option.)


There has to be an additional condition on that, bc technically, San Jose still could end up with no 2nd to give Detroit...



I think I am going insane from this deadline

From what I can tell, the Kane trade pick became a 1st rounder in 2019 or 2020 (if they miss the playoffs, which they won't) once Kane re-signed. If he hadn't re-signed, then it would have been their 2nd in 2019.

 

[HawkeyTalkMan]

Lol 30% retention and still didn't get a first?

Sure to ruffle some red wing fan feathers who felt he was justifiably worth a 1st on his own merit

 

[780il]

Great move for San Jose

Now we see who goes after the big fish.... Winnipeg/Calgary/Boston, all eyes on you and Mark Stone boys.

 

[Marc the Habs Fan]

They own Florida's. Hopefully it's that one.

It won't be. Ottawa gets that one from the Karlsson deal.

 

[WingsMJN2965]

Holland finally broke his streak of solid TDL moves.

 

[Heretic]

How can they trade a 2019 second???


San Jose's own 2019 2nd will go to Buffalo if San Jose misses the 2019 playoffs again, unlikely, but technically still possible, and San Jose is supposed to respect that condition...

And on top of that, Ottawa will get the higher of San Jose or Florida's 2019 2nds (which, until Florida mathematically cannot surpass San Jose, San Jose is supposed to, again, keep the picks available).
(Ottawa agreed to their conditional deal knowing it was potentially tied up in the Buffalo deal and they may be limited to just Florida's pick as the option.)


There has to be an additional condition on that, bc technically, San Jose still could end up with no 2nd to give Detroit...



I think I am going insane from this deadline

Good noticing that! As a Sabres fan I forgot the Kane trade past the 1st rounder in 2019.

 

[InfinityIggy]

What an excellent deal for the Sharks makes for some interesting reading regarding what Wings fam had hoped to get for him.

 

[The Nemesis]

Doug Wilson has jedi mind powers. That's the only logical explanation for how he keeps doing this sort of thing.

You'd think by now other GMs would stop answering the phone when his name comes up. That is unless his caller ID reads "Willy's Pizza and Wings."

 

[Dick Whitman]

Zuccarello got 2 conditional 1sts. This is at best 2 2nds.

Neither conditional first is likely to be met so in reality, it's basically the same.

 

[Scrantonicity 2]

Hey San Jose, f*** you!
-the West

 

[Devonator]

Very very solid move by the Sharks....they are now likely the team to beat in the West...I mean they were likely before this trade but this is a great pick up....though it depends now what Winnipeg and Calgary may do?

 

[Machinehead]

i mean yeah if you tweet out a destination for every upcoming ufa on a non playff team im sure youll get one right

Not only that, but I'm sure he does have some info, and whoever is giving it to him is likely saying "don't go and tweet this out" and the douche does exactly that.

 

[Oddbob]

Pretty disappointed as a Wings fan. The full NTC probably weighs into the value here. Glad in general that Holland is selling and gathering picks but it's just simply not enough coming back IMO. Maybe I'm biased but it seems like a lot of neutral fans in here think the same thing.

Anyway gotta apologize to Rangers fans for poopooing the Zuccarello trade. Their return was better than this.

It is about the same. Dallas has very low chance of making it to the 3rd round, which means great chance the one pick is a 2nd, and no guarantee Zucc is resigned by Dallas, especially now that he may be out a month, which could hurt Dallas's chances. More than likely it ends up as a 2nd and a 3rd, and we get a 2nd for Nyquist, and a chance at a 3rd.

 

[WingsMJN2965]

Not sure why DET is still trying to pick up 2nds.

Don't need any more middle 6 forwards or bottom 4 defenders.

 

[Mattb124]

Lol 30% retention and still didn't get a first?

Sure to ruffle some red wing fan feathers who felt he was justifiably worth a 1st on his own merit

It seems like a lot of folks either didnt know he had a clause or understand the adverse impact on value from a NMC/NTC.

 

[Calad]

Didn't get any more than Zuccarello did. Rangers fans collectively move one centimeter back from the lip of the ledge.

Not to mention the 2nd is likely to be 5-10 spots better considering Dallas was a bubble team before the injury. Gorton did well to make the move before all the other wingers started moving

 

[RedWingzz]

Lol 30% retention and still didn't get a first?

Sure to ruffle some red wing fan feathers who felt he was justifiably worth a 1st on his own merit

That's the power of a NTC though. His value goes down. Personally, I'm happy with the return.

 

[Machinehead]

Not sure why DET is still trying to pick up 2nds.

Don't need any more middle 6 forwards or bottom 4 defenders.

Probably because they couldn't get a 1st?

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

What an excellent deal for the Sharks makes for some interesting reading regarding what Wings fam had hoped to get for him.

The news coming out on both Jensen and Nyquist's contract requests and the Wings not being willing to meet them has had me sort of fascinated. Neither guys request was really unreasonable and you certainly feel like there was room to negotiate there. But they are going to have a ton of cap space, should the lottery smile on them, I think they are getting ready to get aggressive in free agency.

We hoped for more, but just as important when we evaluate things is we are flipping the page and freeing up spots for other guys to assume bigger roles. It is a part of the rebuilding process, they were moving on from Nyquist they got what they could, I wish it could have been better, but hey that appears to be the market this year unfortunately.