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I get wanting to have serviceable forwards but 5+ for compher seems like a reach
These are all okay risk mitigation strategies (or more cynically, excuses) to mask the fact it's not a good deal.There's no unique advantage but:
- Detroit has and will have more ELCs and RFA players than most teams, simply because they're young and coming out of a rebuild
- For better or for worse, Detroit has no superstar players commanding 10+ mil in salary, so they can afford to spend a little more on depth
- Detroit's got only 3 players signed beyond 2025-26, that's if not unique at least rare. Talking about it as if they've locked themselves into a box with their cap situation couldn't be further from the truth.
I'm not talking about Killorn or ROR. We don't need whataboutism here. Those are bad deals too. I can call a spade a spade with Compher though.Let’s see…..
Fischer replaces Erne
Compher replaces Suter
Ghost replaces Oesterle
Holl replaces Hagg
Reimer replaces Neds
Lyon replaces Hellberg
Sprong replaces Chiasson
Those are significant upgrades. Who cares if they overpaid on a couple of guys. That’s what happens when you have to go the UFA route. That’s no secret. They gave up no assets for these players and will likely gain assets for a couple at the deadline. Young players will now have to earn their spots. The way it’s supposed to be.
Just because they didn’t do it the way you would have, doesn’t mean it’s wrong. I wouldn’t have given Killorn or O’Reilly those crazy deals. Compher will absolutely outperform O’Reilly contractually. That stint in TO wasn’t worth 4 years. He was not the same player most of the season. The Killorn contract was just nuts.
The summer isn’t over either. They clearly have significantly upgraded that roster. This is what you have to do when the cupboard was completely empty and you don’t win lotteries. The system is now loaded but their sub 22 players. As those players start integrating in, they’ll have a supporting cast.
On the contrary I think it would be a good add for pretty much any young rebuilding team with tons of cap space. It would be a terrible deal for a contender though.If Compher signed this anywhere else, Wings fans would be lambasting it like anyone else.
BTW if there are still some passionate Avs fans around this useless topic, care to explain to the kid all the differences between the players Compher and Rodrigues ? It would be much appreciated.
We had JT for a long time, only a season of E-Rod - so, can only give you a little overview of my thoughts on him.
Both are good 3rd liners, who can be trusted to fill in on the second line when needed - with both being OK at C or W. JT is better defensively and is much better on face-offs (ERod has higher FOW - but we only trusted JT against other team's top players). Going forward, both can complement good players, but neither can drive an offensive line.
At times, we even had JT as our 1C (when Nate got hurt), which wasn't a complete disaster - but, that's probably more to do with Rantanen elevating his play, rather than JT. So, statistically, JT looks like he had an awesome season. However, this is based on him having a great early season (when he got to play more time with our big players), compared to after the trade deadline when he was expected to drive the 2nd line himself, and his numbers went way down again. JT just does not create offense - he needs someone else, on his line, to do this. However, defensively, he is quite solid.
On the flip side, E-Rod had a real up and down regular season. He had injury issues early in the season, where he'd be in and out of the lineup. He got chances on the top line, just like JT, and, at times, he looked pretty decent offensively. And, wow - he likes to shoot! Some shifts, he just looked perfectly in tune with Nate and how he wanted to play - it was great to watch. However, overall - he didn't gel with the top players and he was really inconsistent. He'd go from looking really confident and playing well to, immediately, being invisible on the ice. Can't remember his longest pointless streak, but it had to be around 10 games. The main thing he brought is that he is pretty good defensively and he's a decently fast player. Unlike JT, E-Rod can create more offense - but, he sometimes thinks he's better than he is, which leads to turnovers.
Come playoff time, this season - ERod was able to elevate his game, whereas JT really didn't. In fact, JT was pretty awful, this year. However, JT has played decent playoff hockey for the previous years, when playing 3rd line minutes. Not spectacular, but not the person to blame for losses. Having only seen E-Rod for a single season, his performance could be a statistical outlier, though. Perhaps, just going through one of his hot streaks - so, I'm not sure I'd depend on this happening every year.
We knew what we had in JT, and we got what we expected from him this regular season with him being quite disappointing come playoff time. E-Rod came in with low expectations, I'd say that he exceeded them, not least because he stepped it up in the playoffs.
TLDR - I can summarise by saying that they're both above average 3rd line players, where I'd (slightly) prefer to have JT over E-Rod. You won't be unhappy if either has to take shifts on your first or second line - but, you will be unhappy if they have to stay there for an extended period.
TLDR - I can summarise by saying that they're both above average 3rd line players, where I'd (slightly) prefer to have JT over E-Rod. You won't be unhappy if either has to take shifts on your first or second line - but, you will be unhappy if they have to stay there for an extended period.
Name the #3C who scored a total of T-W-E-L-V-E points in his final 30 games with the Colorado Avalanche (including playing playoffs) playing exclusively as a Top-6 forward.Name all the 3Cs in the league that scored 50+ points last season and are making much less than 5 million?
Name all 3Cs in the league that played 20+ minutes per game last season and took 1500+ faceoffs?
There's no unique advantage but:
- Detroit has and will have more ELCs and RFA players than most teams, simply because they're young and coming out of a rebuild
- For better or for worse, Detroit has no superstar players commanding 10+ mil in salary, so they can afford to spend a little more on depth
- Detroit's got only 3 players signed beyond 2025-26, that's if not unique at least rare. Talking about it as if they've locked themselves into a box with their cap situation couldn't be further from the truth.
What role did Compher play for Colorado last season?
The entire point here is that comparable guys (middle 6 centers) make that type of money. The stubborn idea that there's a huge divide between "top 6" and "bottom 6" is what makes the discussion impossible. Middle-6 exists as a label to describe these types of players - who may fill a 2C role at times, a 3C role at times, guys that aren't legit top 6 players but are good enough to handle it from time to time. Guys that make around 5 mil a year.
He has the ability to be a really solid player when he's engaged and decides that he's going to give it his all. Unfortunately with JTC it only happens about 40% of the time. I hope your coach falls in love with him as much as Bednar did for his sake or else wings fans will be calling for a buyout after Year 2.Compher may be a bit bland, but you can't have too many 2-way hard working players IMO. Better than chasing some a 50-60 pt player who can't be bothered to chip in on D. As for the money, the Wings would not give Compher 5M out of the blue. Some other team(s) were clearly willing to give him close to that. The Wings have the space and the need. Not going to sweat the money - it's not mine, and there is plenty of cap space.
Compher is better defensively and has cup experienceIf the wings wanted a 3C with some skill and a 2 way game, why didn't they just grab Kerfoot for cheaper and less term?
- similar age
- similar stature
- similar style of game
- similar career highs
- Kerfoot better overall avg point production
- Compher got 5x5, Kerfoot got 2x3.5
A lot easier to GM when you have a top notch scouting and drafting team behind you like Tampa did.
Is he that much better defensively? All that's worth $1.5m/year over a comparable player? Hmm.Compher is better defensively and has cup experience
Avs and Wings are in pretty different stages of their competitive window. If cap space was not an issue at all, would you rather have say, Logan O'Connor or Jt Compher?Name the #3C who scored a total of T-W-E-L-V-E points in his final 30 games with the Colorado Avalanche (including playing playoffs) playing exclusively as a Top-6 forward.
If you wings fans are happy with this deal, the more power to you but I can tell you there is a LARGE percentage of Avalanche fans that are thrilled that the Son of Bednar signed elsewhere.