Confirmed with Link: Derek Roy to Nashville (1Yr / $1 AAV)

[triggrman]

This trade sucks for Watson, Beck, Forsberg and Sissons.

 

[I Will Son]

If Wilson is traded for a pick... That is stupid

If he's traded it will be stupid unless it's in a package for E Kane

 

[Roman Yoshi]

All I know is, this is a huge vote of no confidence for Wilson and Watson.

 

[triggrman]

All I know is, this is a huge vote of no confidence for Wilson and Watson.

agreed.


That sucks too, I have more hope for them than I do Roy for sure.

 

[predfan24]

Our center depth would be pretty sick if this was around the 06-07 time period.

 

[bdub24]

agreed.


That sucks too, I have more hope for them than I do Roy for sure.

Well, you know what they say - you can hope in one hand, and have goals in the other.

 

[Nothing Is New]

Well, it is strange - three vet center signings. I guess the deal will be to see who wants it the most and cast the Center Survivor losers out. All have good points: Ribiero has been a big point/assist guy; Roy is only 31 and was once +37 under Lindy Ruff; and Olli is a decent two player that had a good year last year in Peg.

 

[triggrman]

Well, you know what they say - you can hope in one hand, and have goals in the other.

except Roy had less goals than Wilson with more ice time and better linemates.

 

[Byrddog]

I have watched Roy since breaking in with Buffalo. They guy is talented he could well be a steal at a mil. And if he flops theres no long term contract with a NMC. I do not see anything wrong with this chance. Jarnkrok can now be broke in on the 3rd line and FF has another year at least in Milwaukee.


This also plays right into what everyone has said since Lavi was hired. He can get the most out of offensive players... Roy could have 70 points again. So whats wrong with that.

 

[glenngineer]

Before we go nuts and say this is good or bad, let's see what the final results of Poile's moves becomes.

We have a coaching change going on for one and two, he may not be done and until we see everything played out, there may be something brewing that we don't know about.

 

[triggrman]

I have watched Roy since breaking in with Buffalo. They guy is talented he could well be a steal at a mil. And if he flops theres no long term contract with a NMC. I do not see anything wrong with this chance. Jarnkrok can now be broke in on the 3rd line and FF has another year at least in Milwaukee.


This also plays right into what everyone has said since Lavi was hired. He can get the most out of offensive players... Roy could have 70 points again. So whats wrong with that.

I hope you're right.

 

[I Will Son]

Before we go nuts and say this is good or bad, let's see what the final results of Poile's moves becomes.

We have a coaching change going on for one and two, he may not be done and until we see everything played out, there may be something brewing that we don't know about.

That's the thing. I'm confident Lavi has a lot of say in these signings. He knows what he wants and what we have.. Poile wouldn't of made any of these signings if Trotz was here.. Or the trade for Neal

 

[PFL615]

Poile said in presser he would like Neal and Ribeiro on a line and Roy and Smith.
Said he expects Jarnkrok to make the team and be a center. Simple move FF and Wilson to Wings.

Stalberg-Ribeiro-Neal
Wilson-Roy-Smith
Jokinen-Jarnkrok-FF

 

[darth5]

Still we have way too much F depth right now. There must be another shoe to drop before the season starts. They do have some time to let things sort out in camp and preseason I suppose. At least we can agree there is no overpayment going on....

 

[Roman Yoshi]

I like the moves, I really do as they give us flexibility, but you have to wonder about the FO's confidence of our younger guys and what it means for their future in Nashville.

What I would love to see happen now is Wilson be moved to another team in a package for a top 3-6 winger. That would complete the transformation and give us quality and quantity upfront.

You also gotta worry about what this means for fish.

 

[PredsV82]

If Roy on a one year deal forces a Wilson trade, I will be very disappointed to put it lightly. Ridiculous.

Not sure if he's a quality center anymore. More of a rover/pp specialist, but once again you can't go wrong at that price.

agree. Wed be trading Wilson at his lowest value given last season., and we have to realize that probably none of OJ, Ribs or Roy will be here in 2015-16, so we should hang onto him unless we are getting a center back in the deal..

 

[Byrddog]

I like the moves, I really do as they give us flexibility, but you have to wonder about the FO's confidence of our younger guys and what it means for their future in Nashville.

What I would love to see happen now is Wilson be moved to another team in a package for a top 3-6 winger. That would complete the transformation and give us quality and quantity upfront.

You also gotta worry about what this means for fish.

I tend to think the opposite. I think the FO has finally changed there thinking about rushing players to the team. Look at Detroit's system of developing forwards the same thing with the Ducks. They take there time and when those players make the big team they usually stick. Jarnkrok was traded to us because he was NHL ready and the Wings really had no slot for him. So they moved to get something before the guy got frustrated and stayed in Europe. He now has a chance for an every day job.

If Wilson and Smith would have been brought in that way they would in my mind be better players. Smith never saw time in Milwaukee and Wilson was rushed up. Wilson has been the biggest issue the guy has the talent he has never been allowed to develop. And I do not care how much anyone argues the NCAA is not the same as professional hockey it just isn't. It is a stepping stone to the league for sure and there are good programs.

The Preds have never drafted generational offensive talent that can come to the league and make a difference as a 18 year old. The guys we have drafted to include Hartnell would have been better players if they had spent some time on the farm. If Lavi is successful I would not expect FF for at least one more season possibally two. Scissions and Mosier are much closer than Foresberg.

 

[StarvinArvyn33]

Can't see how any complaints are made about this. We needed some extra goals, we can't count on forsberg to score 15 goals and after last year Wilson is not a lock either. We gained depth and flexibility, pretty happy with our moves. And we only spent 1 mil for 1 yr on Roy. Even better

 

[Byrddog]

agree. Wed be trading Wilson at his lowest value given last season., and we have to realize that probably none of OJ, Ribs or Roy will be here in 2015-16, so we should hang onto him unless we are getting a center back in the deal..

And if Poile had stayed pat and Wilson centered the first line and failed his value would have been zero at the end of the season. Its a tough call and I really have no idea who Poile is going to move but you have to feel that hes going to move at least 1 forward.

 

[triggrman]

What player did the ducks take their time developing in the AHL outside of Etem?

 

[NSH615]

I tend to think the opposite. I think the FO has finally changed there thinking about rushing players to the team. Look at Detroit's system of developing forwards the same thing with the Ducks. They take there time and when those players make the big team they usually stick. Jarnkrok was traded to us because he was NHL ready and the Wings really had no slot for him. So they moved to get something before the guy got frustrated and stayed in Europe. He now has a chance for an every day job.

If Wilson and Smith would have been brought in that way they would in my mind be better players. Smith never saw time in Milwaukee and Wilson was rushed up. Wilson has been the biggest issue the guy has the talent he has never been allowed to develop. And I do not care how much anyone argues the NCAA is not the same as professional hockey it just isn't. It is a stepping stone to the league for sure and there are good programs.

The Preds have never drafted generational offensive talent that can come to the league and make a difference as a 18 year old. The guys we have drafted to include Hartnell would have been better players if they had spent some time on the farm. If Lavi is successful I would not expect FF for at least one more season possibally two. Scissions and Mosier are much closer than Foresberg.

Just who were the Preds rushing?

Really the issue here is likely Poile has been told win now or your gone.

 

[Byrddog]

What player did the ducks take their time developing in the AHL outside of Etem?

I was thinking directly about Etem I have followed him since he was in Medicine hat the young guys that the Ducks bring on for the most part are solid. And they do have some things in common with the Preds they love those Euros. They are not putting those guys into topline situations either like we have here. SILFVERBERG, SMITH-PELLY are two guys that have jumped in earlier than normal and both seem to have more talent than our young guys right now. When Etem hits the roster that could well be there future top line. Etem is a point per game guy in the making he and Linden Vey in Medicine Hat were scoring machins. They both dropped off in the AHL but Etem looks like he will be a special player.


Now Preds 33 who did the Preds rush too fast.. Well Hartnell Legwand understand that it was the first years but they would have been better off to have a little time on the farm. Then we can talk about Peverly, Upshall was castrated he spent alot of time trying to stick here and ended uop having a good career elsewhere. The theres Gamache the kid was a scoring machine and never adjusted as a small guy to the NHL well we had some small guys that could have mentored him and he would have been successfull. And for those blaming size as the reason not to keep these type players, Steve Sullivan, Nathan Gerby, Tyler Ennis and a host of others say hello. In short unless a p[layer has the talent of Nat McKinnion or other phenoms they have no buisness being in the NHL at 18 19 or 20. The farm is not just to try to develop marginal players it is the perfect place for Foresberg right now or in three years we will be waiting on him to have that brakeout year here.

 

[gopreds19]

Josh Cooper finally got his happy ending.

 

[triggrman]

Gamache wasn't just small he was slow, and he wasn't a Predators prospect, we traded for him when he was 21 years old and he flopped from the AHL to the NHL.

Peverly wasn't rushed, quite the opposite, we had him in the AHL as a 23 year old. We let him go to Atlanta, they gave him ice time and he put up 35 points in 39 games.

The Ducks traded for Silfverberg last offseason and he's been on their roster ever since, he also averaged more time on ice than Jarnkrok.

 

[Infinite Jest]

except Roy had less goals than Wilson with more ice time and better linemates.

Wrong. Derek Roy played in the bottom six, averaged 13:30 per game. Wilson averaged over 15:00 per game. Roy did get about :30 more PP time per game.