Derek Roy has been invisible as a Canuck

[Hammer79]

Let him walk, he's going to get overpaid anyway. No way do I want to tie up $5M in this guy, when we have a similar player in Schroeder still on an ELC.

He wasn't great this series, but not terrible. I wasn't expecting him to score goals, he's supposed to be a setup guy who bags a lot of assists and was simply misused. He didn't get the job done in the faceoff dot though, and couldn't overcome his size disadvantage. Third line C was a hole that went unfilled due to his deployment on Kesler's line. I don't think he's a fit for us going forward, and I expect him to walk.

 

[BrandonL]

Also let's be honest, it's unlikely Roy takes any sort of discount to play here.

His main priority is securing a long term contract at five million per. No thanks, we already have too many of those problems floating around.

 

[Hammer79]

Also let's be honest, it's unlikely Roy takes any sort of discount to play here.

His main priority is securing a long term contract at five million per. No thanks, we already have too many of those problems floating around.

To be sure, some GM will give it to him. I'm fairly certain he won't be in a Canucks uniform next season.

 

[Derp Kassian]

Too small, can't win faceoffs, is only as good as his wingers.. This guys a fraud.

 

[Kryten]

Hes similar to how morrison was for the WCE canucks. Take him away from vanek and pominville and he will slowly work his way out of the league. Like others say hes small and poor at faceoffs. What teams are in need of a centre? Calgary..

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

How many of you were the same ones shouting "Take all our money! Re-sign at all costs!!" two games into his tenure?

The team says "not too high, not too low". The fans' motto is the precise opposite. The concept of sample size seems really lost on people here.

I'd like to bring him back unless we make some major trades that better fill his role. Roy was dynamic when he arrived and his been a lethal point specialist on the powerplay for both Dallas and Buffalo. If we can get him on shorter term, it'd be ideal, but let's be honest. The guy was not given any chance at success. We never once tried him on the point and barely played him powerplay at all. He was neutered by being stuck with the enigma Raymond and the offensive blackhole Hansen.

 

[dma0034]

I want to keep Roy just because I think under our new coach he will do well, and I want to have some reliable centre depth.

As a Sabres fan I can tell you that his lack of production in the playoffs isn't a 1 year event. Many in Buffalo thought he spent too much time out partying and not enough time focusing on hockey. This let to speculation that he was a cancer in the locker room and many were happy to see him traded.

 

[Bleach Clean]

I'd like to bring him back unless we make some major trades that better fill his role. Roy was dynamic when he arrived and his been a lethal point specialist on the powerplay for both Dallas and Buffalo. If we can get him on shorter term, it'd be ideal, but let's be honest. The guy was not given any chance at success. We never once tried him on the point and barely played him powerplay at all. He was neutered by being stuck with the enigma Raymond and the offensive blackhole Hansen.

Thinking on this further, I tend to agree with you and puckmonster. This one will be tough. For Roy, Gillis will have to evaluate his entire body of work, not just what he has done here. IMO, he is still a top30 C in the game. A lower end 1st line C due to size, but one that deserves a to be mentioned in that grouping.

Keeping him would resolve centre ice for at least 4-5 years here.

Very tough call. This is going to be about playstyle re: Boston SCF all over again. On the one hand, Gillis will be taking this team back to what they were if he was to re-sign Roy. Before the obsession with size. On the other, by letting Roy walk in favour of keeping Booth/bringing in bigger players, he will be limiting what this team can do offensively when the main problem has been offense.

I would give him 5m/5 years. Yes, he's 30 years old and yes, he's diminutive, but look around the league and the porous C depth of some teams. This guy would ensure that doesn't happen again here for some time.

If Roy is re-signed, the immediate concern would be Schroeder's future with the club. But saying that, I wouldn't mind if Schroeder spent a couple years learning the trade in the bottom6. He can develop his defensive game and still get PP time as a specialist. They can also load up Kesler on a line with either Roy or Schroeder to make further use of the depth. If this team wants to improve itself offensively, the quality at C must be there.

 

[Derp Kassian]

I'd rther let Jordan Schroeder do what Roy does at a quarter of the cost and use that money to boost the top 6 with a Clarkson type

 

[Bleach Clean]

I'd rther let Jordan Schroeder do what Roy does at a quarter of the cost and use that money to boost the top 6 with a Clarkson type

Schroeder isn't yet a 70 point, two-way C, Roy is. Roy =/= Schroeder.

No one knows if Schroeder will ever get to that level. In the meantime, I'd like Roy to be a contributing member to the team. At the very least, in a 2nd line capacity.

 

[Hammer79]

Schroeder isn't yet a 70 point, two-way C, Roy is. Roy =/= Schroeder.

No one knows if Schroeder will ever get to that level. In the meantime, I'd like Roy to be a contributing member to the team. At the very least, in a 2nd line capacity.

Schroeder is on an ELC, Roy is going to want $5M. He might be worth that to some GM, but from his play in Vancouver he's not worth that much to us. The Canucks need some prospects on ELCs to succeed (Gaunce is another option) so that cap space can be spent elsewhere.

 

[Towel-Power]

I get that he wasn't used properly and AV suffocated the offense out of him but come on. He was completely invisible out there. No way do I want him back at 5M. That combined with how Sabres and Stars fans were talking about him, I'm hoping we'll pass.

 

[MikeK]

Adios.

 

[thelos]

Schroeder isn't yet a 70 point, two-way C, Roy is. Roy =/= Schroeder.

No one knows if Schroeder will ever get to that level. In the meantime, I'd like Roy to be a contributing member to the team. At the very least, in a 2nd line capacity.

Roy a 2 way C?!?!

 

[King of the ES*]

Hes similar to how morrison was for the WCE canucks. Take him away from vanek and pominville and he will slowly work his way out of the league. Like others say hes small and poor at faceoffs. What teams are in need of a centre? Calgary..

Huge insult to Morrison. Morrison scored clutch goals consistently, played with much more heart, and was part of the NHL's best line for a few years.

Derek Roy doesn't even come close, and there's absolutely no way he should be brought back. Like I said when he was acquired, I don't think he's much better than Jordan Schroeder is today.

 

[MikeK]

Huge insult to Morrison. Morrison scored clutch goals consistently, played with much more heart, and was part of the NHL's best line for a few years.

Derek Roy doesn't even come close, and there's absolutely no way he should be brought back. Like I said when he was acquired, I don't think he's much better than Jordan Schroeder is today.

You are definitely bang on with Morrison. He showed up numerous times in big games for this franchise.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Schroeder is on an ELC, Roy is going to want $5M. He might be worth that to some GM, but from his play in Vancouver he's not worth that much to us. The Canucks need some prospects on ELCs to succeed (Gaunce is another option) so that cap space can be spent elsewhere.

What would that cap space go to that would be better? Guys like Weiss/Ribeiro are the cream of the FA crop... There aren't a lot of significant options out there to improve the team with. At least with Roy, the C depth is resolved for years to come. Without him, who knows? We could be looking for C replacements at every deadline.

I get that he wasn't used properly and AV suffocated the offense out of him but come on. He was completely invisible out there. No way do I want him back at 5M. That combined with how Sabres and Stars fans were talking about him, I'm hoping we'll pass.

Who was not "invisible". People were saying that the twins were invisible, and they are of the elite in this league. So what's visible?

I'd like Gillis to be able to provide the new coach as many quality players as he can. He isn't likely to be able to find better in trade/FA.

Tyler Bozak is likely to get 4m+. Roy is better than him. Ribeiro is getting 5m. Weiss is looking for 5m+. Is 5m really out of range for Roy?

Roy a 2 way C?!?!

Yup. All situation player.

 

[Kryten]

Huge insult to Morrison. Morrison scored clutch goals consistently, played with much more heart, and was part of the NHL's best line for a few years.

Derek Roy doesn't even come close, and there's absolutely no way he should be brought back. Like I said when he was acquired, I don't think he's much better than Jordan Schroeder is today.

Roy was very good for buffalo at points but his linemates boosted his production, one of the highest scoring lines in the league like the wce era. My comparrison is roy now being like morrison was after he left the canucks. I dont want him back either, id prefer schroeder next year then throw money at a free agent the following summer

 

[Bleach Clean]

Roy was very good for buffalo at points but his linemates boosted his production, one of the highest scoring lines in the league like the wce era. My comparrison is roy now being like morrison was after he left the canucks. I dont want him back either, id prefer schroeder next year then throw money at a free agent the following summer

Roy was also at a 60 point pace in Dallas. Short sample, but not out of line with his 70 point average he was at with Buffalo.

There's more to Roy than what he has shown here during his short stint.

I like Brendan Morrison, but he wasn't as good.

 

[slappipappi]

I would give him 5m/5 years. Yes, he's 30 years old and yes, he's diminutive, but look around the league and the porous C depth of some teams. This guy would ensure that doesn't happen again here for some time.

There is no use saying this unless you indicate how you fit him into the cap.

To even field a team next year, Booth and Ballard will have to be bought out, and Raymond allowed to leave. Even with that, that would only allow the Canucks to field league minimum players. And you want to add a $5M salary to that?

 

[JuniorNelson]

This is said hours after the final game; If the Sedins are not here next season (a deal with MODO for the Olympic year?) and the Canucks knew about this in advance. They grabbed what looks to be the best option out of FA. The other centers under thirty, under five million, are Cervenka and Wellwood.

One of Gillis' strengths seems to be his ability to sign players. He might be able to argue Roy into four and a half for next year, citing cap pressure. I think this fits Gillis' modus operandi. Roy also fits the pattern for a Gillis player.

I'd have no problem adding Roy if there was also some size added to the top six. If that is Kassian, then it's all good. I'd like to also add Latendresse, replacing Raymond for the same money. Whatever, play Sestito, for all I care, as long as it's somebody.

Canucks can go forward into next season with a top six of Higgins, Kesler and Burrows and a second line of Roy with Booth (?) and Hansen/Kassian.

 

[Bleach Clean]

There is no use saying this unless you indicate how you fit him into the cap.

To even field a team next year, Booth and Ballard will have to be bought out, and Raymond allowed to leave. Even with that, that would only allow the Canucks to field league minimum players. And you want to add a $5M salary to that?

Incorrect. Take a look below:


CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($4.500m)
Chris Higgins ($2.500m) / Derek Roy ($5.000m) / Zack Kassian ($0.870m)
Tom Sestito ($0.666m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / Jannik Hansen ($1.350m)
Jordan Schroeder ($0.851m) / Dale Weise ($0.677m)
DEFENSEMEN
Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m) / Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m)
Alexander Edler ($5.000m) / Jason Garrison ($4.600m)
Chris Tanev ($1.250m)
GOALTENDERS
Cory Schneider ($4.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $57,605,000; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (18-man roster): $6,695,000


This team requires 6 players to make a total of 6m. Completely feasible and possible.

 

[hockeywoot]

I wouldn't be against re-upping Roy.
Should not overpay, or give too much term though.

 

[Bleach Clean]

This is said hours after the final game; If the Sedins are not here next season (a deal with MODO for the Olympic year?) and the Canucks knew about this in advance. They grabbed what looks to be the best option out of FA. The other centers under thirty, under five million, are Cervenka and Wellwood.

One of Gillis' strengths seems to be his ability to sign players. He might be able to argue Roy into four and a half for next year, citing cap pressure. I think this fits Gillis' modus operandi. Roy also fits the pattern for a Gillis player.

I'd have no problem adding Roy if there was also some size added to the top six. If that is Kassian, then it's all good. I'd like to also add Latendresse, replacing Raymond for the same money. Whatever, play Sestito, for all I care, as long as it's somebody.

Canucks can go forward into next season with a top six of Higgins, Kesler and Burrows and a second line of Roy with Booth (?) and Hansen/Kassian.

They would have to dump Booth in order to keep Roy. I've posted a roster with both, but the margin is razor thin. Odds are, they'll take the "safe" route and either let Roy walk or dump Booth.

The point about projecting and acquiring a top FA is a good one. Roy is at the top of the FA heap, or near it, at his position. Gillis acquired him "ahead of the curve", so to speak. Why not try and re-sign him? Does this team have an overabundance of skill? No, they don't. And they've struggled to score. To me, it seems like a good idea to keep what little options of skill that they do have. That means retaining Roy.

One could say he's too reliant on his wingers. It's a valid complaint. Players his size often have this issue. Still, he's a top30 C IMO. Heading into the series, I would not have guessed a guy like Pavelski would outplay him, due to the difference in speed. But that's how it panned out. Does it mean Roy is no longer a topC though? No, I don't think it does. It just means he was outplayed over 4 games. Much like people are saying the Sedins were outplayed.

Roy should be here to balance out Kesler. The former helps his wingers, while the latter is a solo artist. Each is a top30C. Why not keep them if you can?

 

[Alan Jackson]

Canucks can go forward into next season with a top six of Higgins, Kesler and Burrows and a second line of Roy with Booth (?) and Hansen/Kassian.

That team misses the playoffs and not by a little.