DeMelo traded to WPG for 2020 3rd

[GCK]

hmm okay well then theres the issue here I strongly disagree.

I think if reilly was let go and demelo signed you would be saying demelo is the better nhl player

I like Demelo and Zaitsev, but really they pretty much fill the same role which is a #4 on a lot of teams. Both could be pushed down to 3rd pairing on a team with a deep D.

 

[TheDebater]

my position is this, the fact that dorion felt demelo wasn't worth an offer or a talk at all is very scary for this team moving forward. I dont care about the third as I did not expect him to get much in the first place. so im not here saying DORION SHOULD HAVE HELD OUT FOR A FIRST ROUND PICK AND A PROSPECT!!!. he should havent because he couldn't have. and no one else thinks that either. demelo should have been negotiated with and offered a deal. (not whatever he wanted no questions asked, thast what a negotiation is). we have Hainsey ALLEDGEDLY coming off the books next year anyway.

Thanks for clarifying. I suppose my follow up question is, why is it "scary" that no offer was tendered? Is it mandatory to give offers to ever pending UFA even if the team is not interested? I doubt you would feel this way if the team treated Hainsey the exact same way, is that fair to say?

The issue comes down to the following: Did Dorion want DeMelo and was he part of the long term plan? Your instance that a contract should have been offered is solely based on the notion that management wanted DeMelo to begin with.

To be honest you sound like a parent who's child submitted a resume for their first job and you are upset that the owner did not call for an interview; just because you apply does not mean you have to get an interview (or in DeMelo's case, an offer).

 

[bert]

Zaitsev is a better NHL player than DeMelo. Boro and Reilly don’t have term, and don’t cost as much as DeMelo would. Do you think DeMelo was itching to get the cash, term, and playtime of a bottom pairing DMan?

No he wasn’t.

You're the only person on this site or any fan for that matter that thinks Zaitsev is better than Demelo.

He is a very solid player.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Oh no! I’m the only one!

Dude, I don’t care if I’m the only one. I like NZ’s game more than DeMelo. I’m totally fine that he was traded, and think it was a solid return for a guy who was dropped from his team in the summer.

I don’t want to argue that I think NZ is awesome or anything, I simply enjoy his game more and would prefer him on the team over DeMelo on term and dollars. I’m cool with being disagreed with, and understand it.

I’m not into advanced stats as a hockey fan, but thanks for the graphs anyways. As I said, I get why people like him, and I don’t dislike him at all, I’m just fine with the trade and return, and I prefer watching NZ than DeMelo play.

Also, one of those posts has a guy talking about the underwhelming rerun for DeMelo, and yet it’s been established that he simply is not worth that to any team that could have had him. He’s a nice bottom pairing guy, that we parlayed into a top 4 guy this year.

 

[Micklebot]

Thanks for clarifying. I suppose my follow up question is, why is it "scary" that no offer was tendered? Is it mandatory to give offers to ever pending UFA even if the team is not interested? I doubt you would feel this way if the team treated Hainsey the exact same way, is that fair to say?

The issue comes down to the following: Did Dorion want DeMelo and was he part of the long term plan? Your instance that a contract should have been offered is solely based on the notion that management wanted DeMelo to begin with.

To be honest you sound like a parent who's child submitted a resume for their first job and you are upset that the owner did not call for an interview; just because you apply does not mean you have to get an interview (or in DeMelo's case, an offer).

As of right now, our right side depth going into next year is Zaitsev... then Jaros?

Who else do we have at RD? Relying on Thomson certainly makes no sense, I guess we can move Brannstrom back to the right side despite Dorion saying he and the coach agree he is a LD going forward.

We clearly need to add a right Dman for next year, or change course on Brannstrom and assume Jaros is ready for the big league. I'm not sure what Dorion has planed given our difficulties signing UFA, but DeMelo has played two seasons with this team and both years his partner has had a standout career season (ok so hard not to when it was Chabot's 2nd year pro, but it was a better season than this year).

My only hope is that Dorion knows we have something lined up (Zub maybe) and DeMelo was going to be the odd man out anyways, but even then, that's a lot of faith in guys who haven't proven anything at this level, be it Zub, Jaros, or Brannstrom.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Thanks for clarifying. I suppose my follow up question is, why is it "scary" that no offer was tendered? Is it mandatory to give offers to ever pending UFA even if the team is not interested? I doubt you would feel this way if the team treated Hainsey the exact same way, is that fair to say?

The issue comes down to the following: Did Dorion want DeMelo and was he part of the long term plan? Your instance that a contract should have been offered is solely based on the notion that management wanted DeMelo to begin with.

To be honest you sound like a parent who's child submitted a resume for their first job and you are upset that the owner did not call for an interview; just because you apply does not mean you have to get an interview (or in DeMelo's case, an offer).

because demelo is a solid player. and we are a team of very not solid players

 

[DaveMatthew]

As of right now, our right side depth going into next year is Zaitsev... then Jaros?

Who else do we have at RD? Relying on Thomson certainly makes no sense, I guess we can move Brannstrom back to the right side despite Dorion saying he and the coach agree he is a LD going forward.

We clearly need to add a right Dman for next year, or change course on Brannstrom and assume Jaros is ready for the big league. I'm not sure what Dorion has planed given our difficulties signing UFA, but DeMelo has played two seasons with this team and both years his partner has had a standout career season (ok so hard not to when it was Chabot's 2nd year pro, but it was a better season than this year).

My only hope is that Dorion knows we have something lined up (Zub maybe) and DeMelo was going to be the odd man out anyways, but even then, that's a lot of faith in guys who haven't proven anything at this level, be it Zub, Jaros, or Brannstrom.

It's definitely interesting, especially considering the seeming insistence to have Brannstrom be LD.

I don't think you can realistically count on Bernard-Docker or Thompson playing meaningful minutes until 22-23, and even then, a more realistic timeframe for them to be dependable defensemen is 23-24. But they'll still only be 23 and 22 years of age.

I would have understood trading Demelo if a team had overpaid, but if the return was just a 3rd, a 3-4 year contract would have made perfect sense.

It would have made more sense than re-signing Pageau, when we have Norris, Brown, White, etc, in the pipeline, all further along in development than any of our D prospects.

And also, I keep hearing that maybe Demelo isn't in the "long-term" plan. Which is fine, but that still doesn't mean you couldn't re-sign him.

This team won't go from terrible to good instantly when the kids come up, and they certainly won't all come up at the same time.

We need to gradually get better year over year, and we need to have players who can help us do that.

If a player isn't in the long-term plan, don't give them 8 years. You can give transition players 3-4 years, though, and not be hamstrung.

 

[Micklebot]

It's definitely interesting, especially considering the seeming insistence to have Brannstrom be LD.

I don't think you can realistically count on Bernard-Docker or Thompson playing meaningful minutes until 22-23, and even then, a more realistic timeframe for them to be dependable defensemen is 23-24, and even then, they'll still only be 23 and 22 years of age.

I would have understood trading Demelo if a team had overpaid, but if the return was just a 3rd, a 3-4 year contract would have made perfect sense.

It would have made more sense than re-signing Pageau, when we have Norris, Brown, White, etc, in the pipeline, all further along in development than any of our D prospects.

Maybe we're angling for Drysdale in the draft.

I doubt Drysdale will be ready any sooner than JBD or Thomson.

I think we sign a RD in the offseason, be it Zub or otherwise.

There's actually a lot of RD that are UFA, though I doubt we go for the high profile guys; Pietrangelo, Barrie, Schultz, Green, Bogosian, Vatanen, Ceci, Tanev, Braun, Gudas, Pysyk, TVR, Shattenkirk, DeMelo to name a few. Might be a buyers market, idk.

 

[DaveMatthew]

I doubt Drysdale will be ready any sooner than JBD or Thomson.

I think we sign a RD in the offseason, be it Zub or otherwise.

There's actually a lot of RD that are UFA, though I doubt we go for the high profile guys; Pietrangelo, Barrie, Schultz, Green, Bogosian, Vatanen, Ceci, Tanev, Braun, Gudas, Pysyk, TVR, Shattenkirk, DeMelo to name a few. Might be a buyers market, idk.

We'll see what happens. Maybe we even sign Demelo.

But if we were dead set against overpaying or giving term to him, I don't see how we'd sign a UFA who's not Hainsey's age. All of those guys will want some term, and to get them to come here, we'd most likely need to overpay.

With our luck we better get ready to welcome back Ceci.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

yes the plan to not even entertain talking to demelo and trading him away cheaply I dont like that particular plan... hence, I am here ona discussion board voicing this?

in your world the title of every thread here would be "this was business, Pierre do business, thread locked"

I don't understand it...

Does every thread need people to come in and say, "no, here's what Dorion did or wanted to do, so you're wrong"? Like, we know, we are saying we disagree with the choices he made or his assessment of players. Him and his decision making is not the deciding factor for the only scenario that made sense.

 

[TheDebater]

because demelo is a solid player. and we are a team of very not solid players

You are preaching to the choir man. I literally made the following post a day before DeMelo was traded:

I may be in the minority here but I am of the belief that DeMelo should be much more of a priority to re-sign at this point than Pageau.

We are very short-stocked as it is on established NHL defenseman, and they are not as easy to replace as bottom 6 forwards which Pageau basically is and has been his whole career.

I would still be happy if Pageau was re-signed but not at the expense of a #3/4 steady defenseman in DeMelo.​

But I pride myself on being capable of putting my biases aside and looking at situations from different perspective. Just because I thought Demelo was a player we should sign does not mean Dorion has to as well, he is the G.M and I do not know what his plan is to criticize one move.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Your confusing talking and formal offer, him and his agent felt they were worth more than anyone not named Chabot that means they want to be paid more than anyone but Chabot.
If they had a discussion ballpark of what Demelo wanted in order to stay and the number was out to lunch there is zero reason to make bad blood and insult people and have drama tweets about “cheap” and he said she said.r
Or they didn’t like his Uber stunt these older players were brought in to teach guys how to be pros and guide them, not bring the kids out trash the boss and disrespect everything and everyone.

Such a massively overblown event. That uber conversation would happen a hundred times a year on every team, its just not released on video by a slimy employee secretly recording them.

Its a shame that driver pulled such a dumb move.

 

[JD1]

Paul Maurice had some nice things to say about DeMelo's debut

 

[Micklebot]

Paul Maurice had some nice things to say about DeMelo's debut

For those that missed it:

"His stick so many times knocked things down, his passes were on the tape," Maurice told reporters, per the team. "That was a pure kinda of, I don't know if you could call it 'coach's porn,' but when you're watching hockey video, you know that's pretty darn good."

"Coaches love those kind of games," Maurice continued. "It's not flashy, but his consistency with his stick, his reads, and then his passes ... the ones he needed to snap hard he did and the ones he could feather and touch in there he did."

I think he's going to end up being a really nice pickup for them, well worth the price and then some. Other teams might not have been willing to go up to a 2nd, but I think some may question why they ever agreed to pay a 2nd for their guy when he was available for a 3rd.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Hopefully the give him a nice contract offer. Seems like a good guy, and and he worked hard for us.

 

[swiftwin]

For those that missed it:



I think he's going to end up being a really nice pickup for them, well worth the price and then some. Other teams might not have been willing to go up to a 2nd, but I think some may question why they ever agreed to pay a 2nd for their guy when he was available for a 3rd.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I don't understand it...

Does every thread need people to come in and say, "no, here's what Dorion did or wanted to do, so you're wrong"? Like, we know, we are saying we disagree with the choices he made or his assessment of players. Him and his decision making is not the deciding factor for the only scenario that made sense.

Yeah but he’s a professional who are you to say anything he does is wrong?

it happens every year.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

You are preaching to the choir man. I literally made the following post a day before DeMelo was traded:



But I pride myself on being capable of putting my biases aside and looking at situations from different perspective. Just because I thought Demelo was a player we should sign does not mean Dorion has to as well, he is the G.M and I do not know what his plan is to criticize one move.

Ok...so...you disagree with the move.. but won’t criticize it. ?

 

[supsens]

Such a massively overblown event. That uber conversation would happen a hundred times a year on every team, its just not released on video by a slimy employee secretly recording them.

Its a shame that driver pulled such a dumb move.

you think the teams leaders take out young kids not even on the team yet and super young players and teach them its cool to not listen to the coaches and that the team is a joke? I hate to tell you but that is not going on a hundred times a year on any team.
You can disagree if you like but your mistaken if you think most people act like this and if you don't think it matters you are probably not in charge of hiring anyone

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Coach's Porn

Unless you have the real "stars" like Zaitsev and Hainsey

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Simmer not a fan of not trying to sign Demelo

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Simmer not a fan of not trying to sign Demelo

You'd think after watching Hainsey fall apart as the year has gone on that they wouldn't consider bringing him back. He needs to just retire.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

you think the teams leaders take out young kids not even on the team yet and super young players and teach them its cool to not listen to the coaches and that the team is a joke? I hate to tell you but that is not going on a hundred times a year on any team.
You can disagree if you like but your mistaken if you think most people act like this and if you don't think it matters you are probably not in charge of hiring anyone

I do, especially if you're on a team as terrible as it was, with coaches long since tuned out, but to each their own. Agree to disagree.

 

[Evanc23]

Terrible. Only way this benefits the team is we will be even worse this year and the next so we better go hard for top 5 picks. Riley and Zaitsev are considerably worse than Demelo and we should have kept him.

 

[Micklebot]

Coach's Porn

Unless you have the real "stars" like Zaitsev and Hainsey

Some highlights from the article for those that don't subscribe to the athletic

It was just one game but I was left with the impression that DeMelo is a clear top-four defenceman on the 2019-20 Jets...

My biggest takeaway? Look at how much time and space DeMelo gives Beaulieu with his initial pass. Beaulieu gets closed down, though, so he doesn’t give Appleton that same kind of room, nor does Appleton — now under pressure — give it to Beaulieu with space, either.
It’s this kind of stuff that leads to the difference between a zone exit with control or a dump out.
The pattern of DeMelo’s cleanliness and Beaulieu’s dump-outs would repeat itself...

If DeMelo can play like this every night — as calm and cool as advertised, then the Jets have added a smart, top-four defenceman. With Pionk on one pair and DeMelo on the other, you can almost imagine a return to an above average defence — especially if Cheveldayoff is able to keep adding before the deadline.
Does that mean Winnipeg will try to extend DeMelo? You’re darn right it does. If the fit is good, there’s no way the Jets don’t take a run at extending him this summer.