Confirmed with Link: Del Zotto waived

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

If you're spending purely to make the floor, maybe don't make it a multi year contract at least? Like 4 years in Murray's case.

They'd have been better off offering some ridiculous overpayment 1 year deal at like 12 mil to someone that couldn't say no.

Why is it so acceptable to dump cash and term on bad players and turn around basically saying, "well what else could the guy have possibly done?"

 

[HSF]

Luckily Gene, is okay waiving people this year.

It just means that is 8.5 million that the sens won't get approved to use by Melnyk

The real losers here are the players and fans. We saw Dadanov money be cleared out and be used on Tkachuk instead of actually adding any additional top 6 forward

 

[Golden_Jet]

Would still be 2 million over without MDZ and Murray.

That's the sad part. That's 29 million dollars that could have been used to make the team better, that is currently on waivers or in the AHl.

Would’ve been short to start the season, especially with Brady not signed by opening night of the league, (Brady signed on day 3).

 

[HSF]

Didn't realize he was a UFA.

you are allowed to make trades

 

[Golden_Jet]

It just means that is 8.5 million that the sens won't get approved to use by Melnyk

The real losers here are the players and fans. We saw Dadanov money be cleared out and be used on Tkachuk instead of actually adding any additional top 6 forward

Well 2 million really, no one was/is taking that contract. Murray deals was last year, even though never worked out.

 

[Ouroboros]

Without meaning to sound rude or anything here, that's loser talk. Maybe it doesn't get better, but it can't get worse right? Just throw some other shit at the wall and see if it sticks.

It can get worse. The heir apparent to be GM here is a guy who is totally unqualified to be working in an NHL front office.

The thing about Dorion is... he deserved the opportunity he got. People forget that sometimes. He worked his way up the ladder from amateur scout to director of amateur scouting to director of player personnel to AGM and then finally GM. It hasn't worked out, but there was reason to think it might have.

I have a hard time seeing Pierre McGuire as a better option. He has no relevant experience - he's spent the last 25 years as a self-promoter in the media. He's a hanger-on/wannabe.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

lmao Dorion

 

[HSF]

Well 2 million really, no one was/is taking that contract. Murray deals was last year, even though never worked out.

Sorry i mean even if we bury the contracts i doubt Melnyk is letting us spend an additional 8.5mill on the roster. It just means we won't be able to go big game hunter this offseason I assume

 

[Gil Gunderson]

I'd fire Dorion but unfortunately I doubt a different GM does much better when having no money to play with and a skeleton crew for staff.

Right, but Dorion has done a horrible job with the budget he's given. 9 million dollars allocated to Matt Murray and MDZ on a budget team is horrific.

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

6 points in 10 games…

 

[Alf Silfversson]

you are allowed to make trades

Yeah, but Dorion shouldn't be.

 

[swiftwin]

If you're spending purely to make the floor, maybe don't make it a multi year contract at least? Like 4 years in Murray's case.

They'd have been better off offering some ridiculous overpayment 1 year deal at like 12 mil to someone that couldn't say no.

Why is it so acceptable to dump cash and term on bad players and turn around basically saying, "well what else could the guy have possibly done?"

I mean, we sorta did that with Hainsey's 1 x $3.5m deal, which was definitely an overpayment.

The thing is, nobody has any incentive to sign here for 1 year, especially defensemen. Their stats will suffer greatly, and they'll be out of a job after the year is up, and nobody will want them because of their perceived poor performance on a rebuilding team. Hainsey did it likely because he knew it was going to be his last year before retiring, and probably as a favor for DJ Smith. Otherwise, players absolutely want more than a year. That's probably why we had to trade for our hole fillers last year (Gudbranson, Brown, Coburn, etc.) who were on expiring contracts. The story is a bit different for forwards, since they can play in higher roles and pad their stats (see: Ennis).

Besides Murray and Dadonov, all our contracts on hole filler vets have been 1 or 2 years. Dadonov still had enough value to land us a 3rd rounder and Holden (who has been good for us).

 

[topshelf15]

Thing everyone except PD saw this happening....We had absolutely no use for this guy,and to tie up 2 mil in cap for 2 seasons just makes it worse

 

[SpezDispenser]

Dorion had an unbelievably bad off-season, holy shit.

 

[NyQuil]

I can't decide as to being pleased that my feeling of absolute certainty regarding this acquisition was borne out in practice, or being depressed that our team literally pulled a Groundhog Day and tanked the beginning of the season by messing with the defence again for no reason, or being actually impressed the organization waived Del Zotto because it just proves in abject humiliating fashion how utterly asinine this contract was to begin with on the heels of the debacle that was the Murray waiving process.

 

[Boud]

Dorion is terrible at his job - well known for over 3 years now. He needed to be fired a long time ago. Only clueless fans still think he's a good GM.

And people with the "we can't do better than this" mentality couldn't be more wrong. We can do better than this and not only that, we NEED to.

 

[Laphroaig]

I'm of the opinion that we should move on from Dorion but I think signing Del Zotto was far from his worst move. Signing a 31 year old defenseman with over 700 NHL games shouldn't have worked out as badly as it has. Add in the fact that Del Zotto was a plus player on a horrible team just last year and I can't be too critical of Dorion in this case. Sometimes things just don't work out.

 

[topshelf15]

With guys like Mete,Sanford,Murray,Del Zotto etc... That is way over 10 mil in just garbage,HOW ABOUT WE GET A REAL PLAYER FOR 7 MIL,and then use the change to add depth

 

[swiftwin]

With guys like Mete,Sanford,Murray,Del Zotto etc... That is way over 10 mil in just garbage,HOW ABOUT WE GET A REAL PLAYER FOR 7 MIL,and then use the change to add depth

We are getting a player for ~7 mil next season. Josh Norris. Then the season after that, Stutzle.

Who else were we going to sign for 7 mil for only 1 or 2 seasons as a placeholder? No star player wants to sign here for only 1 or 2 years.

 

[Boud]

I'm of the opinion that we should move on from Dorion but I think signing Del Zotto was far from his worst move. Signing a 31 year old defenseman with over 700 NHL games shouldn't have worked out as badly as it has. Add in the fact that Del Zotto was a plus player on a horrible team just last year and I can't be too critical of Dorion in this case. Sometimes things just don't work out.

"Sometimes things just don't work out" has to be Dorion's new slogan and the understatement of the year.

Things don't work out when you make bad decisions.

 

[topshelf15]

We are getting a player for ~7 mil next season. Josh Norris. Then the season after that, Stutzle.

Who else were we going to sign for 7 mil for only 1 or 2 seasons as a placeholder? No star player wants to sign here for only 1 or 2 years.

I understand,but why bother with this???It just wastes money,and makes the team worse

 

[Alf Silfversson]

6 points in 10 games…

Yeah but how many crosschecks/60?

 

[NyQuil]

Whether or not you think DZ is a bad player, he is clearly a bad fit for this team and for DJ Smith, and that was readily apparent right from the beginning.

 

[Bileur]

Whether or not you think DZ is a bad player, he is clearly a bad fit for this team and for DJ Smith, and that was readily apparent right from the beginning.

You knew it would end badly when they announced the plan to make a shut down pair with MDZ and Zaitsev. The guy has never been a shut down defenseman, even in his prime. How could that deployment be successful?

 

[topshelf15]

The logic was lets add another depth LHD,when we have 5 of them....Still no Center,no top 6 RW still no capable top 4 RHD