Defensive Prospect depth

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  1. Starsdude

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    Stars are ranked 26th by HF but have perhaps the best defensive prospect depth
    Daley-ready PP QB
    Jancevski AHL all star ready 6/7 d-man
    Belle-good skater, size high upside if can learn game
    Fransson-top talent puck mover
    Grossman having a nice year in SEL
    Fistric-Size, toughness

    All these guys have a real chance at the NHL.

    Then there are guys like Granath, Vainio and Waugh who have a prayer. Just do not get the rankings at all. Just wondering who has better depth at defense than this
     
  2. leafaholix*

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    The best defensive depth? I think not.
     
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    Chicago and Nashville. The leaders of the pack. And it is pretty clear to me.
     
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    Yeah, Chicago have been stocking up big. May backfire on them.
     
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    Definitely among the best, but we lack the safe prospects with top pairing potential to be labelled the best. In terms of strict depth, we have a strong shot.. Though your forgot Nickerson and Erskine.
     
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    There is no backfiring having too much talent. If you end up with 5 awesome blueline prospects, you trade one away to get the offensive talent or goalie.
     
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    If you mean top 15-20, you may be right.
     
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    Still a dangerous game to play. Chicago need another great scorer to partner Ruutu. Chicago don't need 5 aewsome blueline prospects. Anyway it is not always that easy to just simply trade for a great offensive talent.
     
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    defense wins championships...offense sells the tickets... just ask New Jersey about that ... we see that your priorities are out of whack...Defensive prospects are more valueable than offensive prospects
     
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    Sure thing..

    The Stars defensive prospects are, as a group, top 10 fairly easily..
     
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    Except they have the least number of defensive prospects in the league, that's depth? I can give you a list of teams that are easily ahead of Dallas, arguably ahead of Dallas, equal to Dallas, and not as good... just looking at the first 10 organizations based on alphabetical order there are 7 or 8 ahead of the Stars easily.
     
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    Least?

    I count 14 (Daley, Fransson, Belle, Nickerson, Fistric, Granath, Grossman, Vaino, Jancevski, Khomitski, Waugh, Vomela, Ludwig and Erskine (if he counts))..

    That's by no means the least in the NHL.
     
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    You might want to find your editor and update him on that little statistic.

    And the ones you did add (Vaino, Ludwig, Vomela, Erskine) don't really make a difference since every team has a few of them. Toronto has a bunch of quality prospects and they fall in there just around 10 last time I checked... and the Leafs core of prospects is deeper than the Stars.
     
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    You still need offense. Anyway i belive that it is Martin Broduer who is a big reason for thier success. Chicago don't have Broduer. Correction they don't have Martin Broduer. The problem with Chicago is they don't many offensive prospects asides from Radulov. There top prospects are all d-men. They could have opted to draft a guy like Olesz or Tukonen instead of Barker as they already have Seabrook and Babchuk. You need offense and defense not just one or the other.
     
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    I agree that every team has players like Erskine..dont see why you say the Leafs core of prospects(assuming your referring to d-men) is deeper...please explain.
     
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    Top 10 easily? You guys have got to get off the Stars bandwagon and see the rest of the league.

    Chicago
    Nashville
    Washington
    Edmonton
    Minnesota
    Vancouver
    Anaheim
    San Jose
    Ottawa
    Toronto
    NY Rangers
    Pittsburgh
    Atlanta
    Tampa

    There's 14 teams that I would rather have than the Stars. So the guy that said in the 15-20 range is bang on. That's not even considering players that are on the verge of being full time NHLers.
     
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    Hmm, Nashville and Chicago clearly ahead of the pack?
    Might want to take a look at Pittsburgh's depth.
    Standouts Whitney, Fernholm, Nemec, Goligoski, Welch, Bissonnette, Lupaschuk, and several solid in Lannon, Koci, Fata, Rouleau, Sersen, Schneider...
    That doesn't take into account young guys like Orpik, Rozsival and Melichar.
     
  18. leafaholix*

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    A lot more depth between the top prospect and the guys like Granath, Marsh, Waugh, and Seikola.
     
  19. Ajacied

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    We don't even have one.. Our 2004 draftees aren't even added, let alone graded.

    We've discussed the grades with our fanbase a few times earlier this year, this was pretty much what we most agreed upon:

    01) Johan Fransson 8.0C
    02) Trevor Daley 7.5B
    03) Shawn Belle 8.0D
    04) Mark Fistric 7.0A
    05) Niclas Grossman 7.0B
    06) Matt Nickerson 6.0B
    07) Dan Jancevski 6.0A
    08) Elias Granath 5.5B
    09) Nik Vaino 5.5B
    10) John Erskine 5.5A
    11) Trevor Ludwig 5.0B
    12) Lukas Vomela 5.0B
    13) Geoff Waugh 5.0A
    14) Vadim Khomitski 5.0C
     
  20. leafaholix*

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    Based on the ratings of Dallas fans, the Stars defense should be top 5... but sadly that's not how it works.
     
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    I have to agree, although Stars fans aren't alone in overrating their prospects.
     
  22. leafaholix*

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    True, but not everybody rates their prospects and uses it to rank them as top 10 in the league when it's clear they're no higher than 15... CLEARLY.
     
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    Yeah, I just don't see it, but maybe that's because I'm not a fan of Belle, Daley, Fransson, or Fistric. I'll be very surprised if any of them becomes more than a number 4 on the blueline.
     
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    Probably because neither of them are Americans..
     
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    The Leafs still have a few defenceman that are still young and in the NHL such as Kaberle, Pilar, and Berg to go along with the prospects in St. John's. Look at the Baby Leafs' record going with only one veteran back on defence.

    The Stars have a bunch of old guys and a bunch of prospects with nothing in between.
     
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