Declining Weise?

[MacDonald4MVP]

Dale Weiss is halthy scratch. 4 points on season so far, not doing so hot in his first year into 10 million $ contract.

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[mitchmagic]

Therrien leaned on him pretty heavily and was put into very generous situations. He often found himself on the first line and on the PP. Don't think that's happening in Philadelphia.

 

[jw2]

Did he stop getting top minutes?!?!?

Bad player in a good situation in the past. He got his Prust contract.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

I think you mean Weise (I'll change your subject line).

Stephen Weiss declined a while ago.

 

[Bob Cole]

he is lost without his good buddy PK

 

[Korpse]

I guess it depends in what your expectations for dale weise are

 

[Striiker]

He's been fine this year. Not scoring much but certainly not a detriment to the team. Definitely shouldn't be scratched but it won't be for long.

Pointless thread.

 

[Tripod]

Actually, he has been playing fine the last month or so even without the points.

As for him being scratched, I would not read anything into it. So far:

MDZ
Manning
AMac
Read
Weise
Lyubimov
Raffl
Ghost

....have all been scratched. Yet VandeVelde has not. Hakstol has his favorites. He was an unnecessary signing though. Should have went after a #3C to upgrade on Cousins/Bellemare.

 

[jw2]

Actually, he has been playing fine the last month or so even without the points.

As for him being scratched, I would not read anything into it. So far:

MDZ
Manning
AMac
Read
Weise
Lyubimov
Raffl
Ghost

....have all been scratched. Yet VandeVelde has not. Hakstol has his favorites. He was an unnecessary signing though. Should have went after a #3C to upgrade on Cousins/Bellemare.

Most of these players are borderline NhLers, and a sophomore.

 

[Appleyard]

Yeh, he has been fine... helping keep our bottom six from drowning defensively with Couturier and Read out (as our 3rd line was basically dismantled to fill their gaps).

He has been pretty unlucky to boot. But ofc more points would be nice. He is paid to get ~25 or so a season while bringing some speed and grit and decent D.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

He's actually been pretty darn good from a possession standpoint. What he's not doing is going to the dirty areas, which quite frankly shocks me. If they get him to do so, the scoring will pick up a bit. If not, this is what you get.

 

[Tripod]

Most of these players are borderline NhLers, and a sophomore.

All of these guys will be in the NHL again next year. And the year after. Only AMac is doubtful.

 

[Appleyard]

Most of these players are borderline NhLers, and a sophomore.

I would not call Raffl, Read and MDZ borderline NHLers. You have two ideal 3rd liners and a decent #4 Dman there really.

Lyubimov has been pretty good too. Weise ok. And Ghost never deserved that scratch.

 

[Tripod]

Also remember that he is a RW. And on Philly, that means he is playing behind Voracek, Simmonds, and often Read most nights.

He so not playing with offensive players, so getting points is hard to come by in our bottom 6. But he is never hurting us as myself and others have said. He is good insurance if a top 6 RW gets hurt and an extra body to have in the roster with expansion coming.

 

[Tripod]

Hakstol currently has Voracek on a line with Bellemare and VandeVelde.

As I said, he has his favorites.

 

[Striiker]

Most of these players are borderline NhLers, and a sophomore.

You quite clearly don't watch any of them play. Why even waste the time commenting?

 

[Disturbed1]

Would take him back on the habs. Don't hate.

 

[Bleedred]

Is Weise really actually declining though?

I'm of the belief that he was NEVER as good as he was the last two years.

This year, his offensive production is much closer to his career norm. He's a pretty good 4th liner at best IMO, not the decent 3rd liner that he was the last two years.

 

[Baemon Severson*]

Everyone knew that contract sucked from the onset

 

[sheed36]

He's actually been pretty darn good from a possession standpoint. What he's not doing is going to the dirty areas, which quite frankly shocks me. If they get him to do so, the scoring will pick up a bit. If not, this is what you get.

Doesn't surprise me one bit. Weise kinda stopped going to the dirty areas the longer he was a Hab. When he first came to the Habs he played more physical and went to the dirty areas..

Then Therrien started playing him on his top lines where he had some success scoring a few points and his game changed somewhat. I guess he figured he was now a scorer and not a grinder anymore after some top line duty.

Weise was still a very good soldier for the Habs though and I hope he finds success with the Flyers. Except when he plays the Habs of course.

 

[Bleedred]

Everyone knew that contract sucked from the onset

I knew he would get a dumb contract like this and was excited to see who would be dumb enough to give it to him.

I think Hextall has done a good job of cleaning up the mess of horrific contracts that Holmgren gave out, but that was a very Homer-esque contract.

Though to be fair, I'm sure someone else was waiting in the wings to give him something close to as abusrd, maybe even the same amount.

 

[Burke the Legend]

Weise is a mediocre 4th liner who has soft hands. Not much of a grinder either. He has to be put in situations that leverage this if you want to see a 20 goal pace out of him. so in the slot and with good playmakers. his best success in Montreal was with Briere and Desharnais. not the bestbplayers (Briere was done, too slow but still a good passer) but they could put the puck on Weise's stick and he would bury it. i dont think Quinville got that and maybe Hakstol doesnt either but Therrien did.

 

[Lebowski]

Weise can skate and doesn't handle the puck like a grenade. That made him a prime candidate for Therrien to use him in a top 6 role and inflate his numbers.

He's perceived as a grinder, but it really isn't where he's at his best. He's a solid complimentary piece on a 3rd line, but it was always clear to 90% of Habs fans that he would be overvalued as a UFA based on his numbers.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

"Decline" usually implies playing hockey at a decently high level to begin with.....

 

[Frank Drebin]

I would have been happy with that contract on the Habs. I think I'm on record saying so. I also have no clue how to build a hockey team.