News Article: Davidson on using CAP space wisely & strategically

[kmwtrucks]

Why would Carter agree to that?

He asked for a NMC when signing extension with Pens and is coming off worst year of his career

38 yr old Jeff Carter as UFA this offseason is not getting $3M salary that he is getting the final year of his deal with Pens. Infact he may not get a deal at all at his age (He turns 39 before end of year)

Also you want to give them, 3 2nd round picks this year to move up to #14? No thanks

if we buy Carter out he gets $2mil up front and he can then sign with a team of his chosing for $1mil and he is now whole. I dont think he wants to be in Pitt next year. we are probably going to add more 2nds as cap dumps. at 14 you probably getting a 2nd line center. 3 40-50 you are really not sure what you are going to get. IE more then likely fringe NHL players

 

[Kevin Musto]

I can’t wait for the draft. Wondering how KD will handle this off-season is very intriguing

I think it will be very similar to how he handled last off-season

 

[Hawkaholic]

There are a lot of bad contracts out there that teams will be anxious to move and a good number of them have 1 - 3 years term left, which works perfectly as far as coming off the books in time for the Hawks to re-allocate it to the young players they draft.


You could Myers’s off of Vancouvers hands and Hayes from the Flyers and that will eat up $13.2m right there.

Yes there is, but we are far from the only team looking to get assets for bad contracts.

Philly isn't going to be paying assets to get rid of bad contracts.

 

[x Tame Impala]

Matthews is saying he hopes to re-sign in Toronto and wants to get negotiations started soon. Interesting problem for them. I don't think he'll want less than $13m AAV. Which would restrict Toronto's cap maneuverability going forward even more so.

We'll see what happens, my main interest in this is seeing if the Hawks would be a 3rd party retention team in a trade.

 

[dreadpirateroberts]

 

[Kevin Musto]

10M cap hit*

Tyler Seguin is making 13M this year with the way his contract is structured. Bobrovsky and Barkov are making 12M each.

And as for cap hit, there's only 10 players in the league that are over 10M. Among them are Price who can't play, and Toews and Kane who's contracts are expiring and won't be at that cap hit next season.

 

[Styles]

I don’t think this really proves anything. There are only 10 and 3 are on the same team (Toronto) Then you have guys like Kane, Price, Toews. So it’s not really a surprise.

 

[u2wojo]

Why would Carter agree to that?

He asked for a NMC when signing extension with Pens and is coming off worst year of his career

38 yr old Jeff Carter as UFA this offseason is not getting $3M salary that he is getting the final year of his deal with Pens. Infact he may not get a deal at all at his age (He turns 39 before end of year)

Also you want to give them, 3 2nd round picks this year to move up to #14? No thanks

Carter don't need to get 3 million as a UFA as the Hawks in this scenerio would be paying him a million each of the next 2 seasons. If Pens don't want him, why not take 2 million from the Hawks and sign for a couple years with a Cup contender at a million each and test if you want to retire in Florida (Bolts or Panthers), Colorado, Vegas, or go back home to Toronto? Guessing any cap strapped contender would gladly give the 2nd year to sign him as the cap is expected to go up a good chunk next Summer and the trick is more getting through this season.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

I don’t think this really proves anything. There are only 10 and 3 are on the same team (Toronto) Then you have guys like Kane, Price, Toews. So it’s not really a surprise.

should also look at % of cap ceiling because contracts are a function of how much money can be spent in a year

 

[TLEH]

I think the real story is that 3 of the 4 are from state's that don't have income tax!!

 

[ColbyChaos]

Bowman was probably acting on orders from above to win now. The flip flopping matches that of crazy ownership or dysfunctional business-hockey ops relationships that we've see with so many new owners the last few decades.

Instead of pointing to Davidson for the direction and big picture stuff, shouldn't we be more focused on Rocky/Danny?

You are acting like they didn’t issue a letter to fans announcing their intention to rebuild. How are you missing the mark that bad?

 

[Toews2Bickell]

Stan was just a dogshit GM after the 2017 meltdown at the draft, he was just lost and throwing shit at the wall to keep his job, should've been canned when they moved on from Q

You are acting like they didn’t issue a letter to fans announcing their intention to rebuild. How are you missing the mark that bad?

that offseason was truly special, ran Crawford out of town who came back from covid to win them a series in the bubble, then he completely missed out on a bad goalie market with Matt Murray and Darcy Kemper so he decided that since he had 3 AHL goalies on his roster it would be a good time to issue a letter to the fans knowing full well they were absolutely f***ed at the position, total incompetence but a massive bullet dodged on Matt Murray going to the Sens instead

 

[ColbyChaos]

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what about pitt gives us 14 and jeff carter who we agree to buy out and we give them 3 #2.

Three 2nd rounders? Jesus Christ that’s basically giving them a first rounder back.

Stan was just a dogshit GM after the 2017 meltdown at the draft, he was just lost and throwing shit at the wall to keep his job, should've been canned when they moved on from Q


that offseason was truly special, ran Crawford out of town who came back from covid to win them a series in the bubble, then he completely missed out on a bad goalie market with Matt Murray and Darcy Kemper so he decided that since he had 3 AHL goalies on his roster it would be a good time to issue a letter to the fans knowing full well they were absolutely f***ed at the position, total incompetence but a massive bullet dodged on Matt Murray going to the Sens instead

Don’t forget turned Saad into a 3rd round pick

 

[Toews2Bickell]

Ah yes, the we're rebuilding then trade Saad for Zadorov and no picks or prospects lol...what a shit show that was

 

[kmwtrucks]

Three 2nd rounders? Jesus Christ that’s basically giving them a first rounder back.


Don’t forget turned Saad into a 3rd round pick

we have so many picks and are going to keep adding more would you rather have #14 or 3 # 50's? if we did this that would mean we would have 6 first rounders over the last 2 years with at least 4 more over the next 2. you only have 22 players on a NHL Roster drafting 10 + people every year just means you will have to dump 1/2 of them. IE not enough spots on a NHL roster or even in the 50 contracts. I agree we are offering them fair value in trade. they need psopects and picks we need high end prospects. we both would get what we wanted.

 

[u2wojo]

Looking at Hawk picks from 2003 through 2017 (we had no 2nd in 2018 and 2019 is probably to early to tell) we had 26 2nd round picks. 14 were outright busts doing vitually nothing in the league. 6 were what I would call hits...DCat, Saad, Crow, Boland, Bickell, & Holl (he is probably a stretch). Of the 6 hits, 4 were pick #43 or better up to Bolland at 32 and DCat at 39. There were 6 others that played some in the NHL (Pirri, Blunden, Johns, CLendening, Mitchell, & Dahlstrom) but not guys I would call a hit. If historical trends hold, out of the 4 2nd rounders, we'll get one meaningful good NHL player (most likely from the 35 or 44 pick), 1 guy that plays some, and 2 busts.

If you can package 2 or 3 of the 6 2nds and 3rds into another 1st, there is pretty good reason to consider doing it.

 

[AmericanDream]

You also have to remember how the Hawks and other teams won with players on their ELC years.

Per KD's plan that simply isn't going to happen, especially not with our recent top kids drafted. He is going to have many of them turning into RFAs when we start becoming good wasting those valuable ELC years.

And I am not bitching about this but pointing out that many kids that will be our core Bedard, Korchinski, Nazar, Reichel, Kaiser, etc will all likely be off their elc's in 3-4 years and will be getting bloated RFA contracts. We will go from little to no cap to a shit ton overnight. Need to be very cognisent of this in a few years and hope the pipeline is strong to fill from within as outside UFAs might be a delicacy for us..

I literally just said this yesterday KD...you lurking on here as Fiddy???

 

[AmericanDream]

Yes there is, but we are far from the only team looking to get assets for bad contracts.

Philly isn't going to be paying assets to get rid of bad contracts.

Not sure how many other teams in our position have the market we do to pay for millions of dollars in bad contracts. I am sure a few teams would be willing to add something but I can't imagine more than 3-4 teams right now with room and ownership willing to do it.

Teams that might hate us or not want to work with us might not have many other options honestly.

 

[hockeydoug]

The rumor was that Norm was pushing for a full teardown but Al McIssac told Stan that if they went that direction they would be fired by the time it was finished so that's why they continued to try to piece it together on the fly, so either it was because of McDonough or Stan and Al just did what they thought was best for their jobs, Stan and co were making win now moves well after McDonough was fired and its clear that Danny Wirtz is not the type to force that decision because Davidson would not have been allowed to tear it down like he has the past year plus

I'm talking more about the cumulative body of work after losing to Nashville in 17'. So may irrational ups and downs with future vs now moves.

But yes, you're hitting on the point I was making that the gm was acting on direction from above in some form or another.

 

[hockeydoug]

You are acting like they didn’t issue a letter to fans announcing their intention to rebuild. How are you missing the mark that bad?

????

That's the freaking mark that it wasn't the gm picking the direction!

Unless he has serious mental health issues, no gm would do that to themselves as the whole world watches a declining roster. That was a major business decision and Shanahan probably didn't even have that much pull in Toronto.

Ownership makes the decision on major spending and business direction (win, tank, big contracts). Owners don't let office paper pushers and former athletes spend all their money.

 

[ColbyChaos]

????

That's the freaking mark that it wasn't the gm picking the direction!

Unless he has serious mental health issues, no gm would do that to themselves as the whole world watches a declining roster. That was a major business decision and Shanahan probably didn't even have that much pull in Toronto.

Ownership makes the decision on major spending and business direction (win, tank, big contracts). Owners don't let office paper pushers and former athletes spend all their money.

Ownership wouldnt have let a written statement of the teams intent to rebuild hit the press without their blessing. Bowman wanted to rebuild, got the blessing to rebuild, traded Saad, let Crawford walk.

Bowman saw the teams performance with Kevin Lankinen and how they were only 9pts away from making the playoffs and thought the team was better than it really was. You underestimate how dumb Stanley was from 2015 onward this is a man who lost 3 seperate Brandon Saad trades, let Pius Suter walk when there was interest among the league in him, traded the moon for Seth Jones and outbid himself, traded Teuvo just to dump 4 million in salary, Turned Patrick Sharp into Rob f***ing Scuderi, traded Danault and 2nd round picks as far out as 2019 for two guys Montreal was going to waive, gave up assets for David Rundblad. So yes your little narrative that Bowman had his hand forced by management is terrible. Bowman was mental from 2015 onward.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

????

That's the freaking mark that it wasn't the gm picking the direction!

Unless he has serious mental health issues, no gm would do that to themselves as the whole world watches a declining roster. That was a major business decision and Shanahan probably didn't even have that much pull in Toronto.

Ownership makes the decision on major spending and business direction (win, tank, big contracts). Owners don't let office paper pushers and former athletes spend all their money.

Think Bowman was just trying to catch lightning in a bottle and save his job versus some higher up telling him to mortgage the future to compete, there is no evidence at all that ownership has meddled in hockey operations, Bowman was making win now moves after McDonough was removed from the organization

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

let Pius Suter walk when there was interest among the league in him

Plenty to bash Bowman for but in end Suter sucks

He bombed in Detroit this past year and is going to end up with lesser contract as FA this summer

Bowman actually was right not to want to give him $3M+

 

[ColbyChaos]

Suter sucks

He bombed in Detroit and is going to end up with lesser contract as FA this summer

Still would have gotten assets for him not qualifying him was moronic and just another subtle failure that Stanley was at asset management

 

[hawksfan50]

Pittsburgh is the wrong team fir a cap relief rescue by tge Hawks to extract tgat #14 in combo with taking a cobtract because theyvonly need to sign 8 more pkayers and have over $20 million in cap spacecto do that . They are nit ubcap hell..Sure maybe if tgey wanted to go alk in whike Crosby and Malkin have still sone use before aging out and tgey havecto re-buikd that even more cao space helps them.. but it does not seem "desperate " that they are going to part with 14th pick unless they get probably much in picks back..

Tgey can getcsinething goid at#14 and doubt they give that up for #35 and one if ourc ast 2 2nds..

Other teans in far greater cap he'll that would make better trade partners because theydesperately need cap relief to ice a full roster.

Vancouver ...picking at #11has Zero cap space with 5 more contracts to include toget to fill 23 man roster...They are Desperate to get cap relief.

Depends who remains on the board and whether they prefer paying $$$ for big buy-outs to get relief or will pay in a package #11to get anotger team to take on the financial burden of sich contracts they want off their books.


Calgary at #16...only $1.25 mil cap space and need to add 5 contracts to get to fill 23 man roster..

So they also are desperate and this probably make the most sens to get done...