News Article: Davidson on using CAP space wisely & strategically

[hawksfan50]

Actually if Vanwants to dump a cheaper cobtract than Boesser then maybe Connor Garland at $4.95 mil per for 3 mores seasons ....I woukd try to get tge 11th fron them in such a deal But not giving up our 19th to move up in that deal package. RATHER because we are taking onevif their cao soace problems awY,we should only be giving up either tge#35or##44 and maybe a future 3rd at tge max...because we are taking on a cash outlay of nearly $15million so that precludes us paying too much to movevuo 8 spits and still not even get a top ten guy.

As to tge crazy idea that if Michkov slips to #8 we shoukd give Washington the #19+#35 and#44 to get the 8th pick...O do not think Washington let's Michkov get by them...

Secondly Putin just put in a law that allows withholding of passports for conscripts calked in to fight his Ukraine War...What if he calls in Michkov to "serve" Mother Russia? THERE us no guarantee ifvtgat war continues past 3 mire seasonsthat he let's Michkov out if conscripted or tgat Michkov if conscripted does not jet killed or injured in the fighting.. Even if Mychkov never gets conscripted,who knows what Outin will do to keep this superstar in Rusdia after his current KHL deal is up?


I woukdcstay clear of alk tgese potential problems.


I woukd do the move up to #11with Vancouver ...esoecialky if Ryan Leonard is still on the board...but if the cost is only taking the Garland or Boessrr contract plus give them #35 and a duturecyear 3rd.. Yes...do that.

 

[nmgrbhfn]

Actually if Vanwants to dump a cheaper cobtract than Boesser then maybe Connor Garland at $4.95 mil per for 3 mores seasons ....I woukd try to get tge 11th fron them in such a deal But not giving up our 19th to move up in that deal package. RATHER because we are taking onevif their cao soace problems awY,we should only be giving up either tge#35or##44 and maybe a future 3rd at tge max...because we are taking on a cash outlay of nearly $15million so that precludes us paying too much to movevuo 8 spits and still not even get a top ten guy.

As to tge crazy idea that if Michkov slips to #8 we shoukd give Washington the #19+#35 and#44 to get the 8th pick...O do not think Washington let's Michkov get by them...

Secondly Putin just put in a law that allows withholding of passports for conscripts calked in to fight his Ukraine War...What if he calls in Michkov to "serve" Mother Russia? THERE us no guarantee ifvtgat war continues past 3 mire seasonsthat he let's Michkov out if conscripted or tgat Michkov if conscripted does not jet killed or injured in the fighting.. Even if Mychkov never gets conscripted,who knows what Outin will do to keep this superstar in Rusdia after his current KHL deal is up?


I woukdcstay clear of alk tgese potential problems.


I woukd do the move up to #11with Vancouver ...esoecialky if Ryan Leonard is still on the board...but if the cost is only taking the Garland or Boessrr contract plus give them #35 and a duturecyear 3rd.. Yes...do that.

It was interesting reading the Canucks board on the convo surrounding the 11th pick. Boeser isn’t a cap dump, the Canucks really don’t have cap problems, but the Hawks can have the 11th for OEL straight up.

 

[EddieTheEagle]

It was interesting reading the Canucks board on the convo surrounding the 11th pick. Boeser isn’t a cap dump, the Canucks really don’t have cap problems, but the Hawks can have the 11th for OEL straight up.

I would actually do 11 for OEL straight up. The last year or so of that contract wouldn't be ideal for the club but it'd be manageable. Drafting 1, 11, 19 + whatever else we can get our hands on in what is anticipated to be one of the strongest drafts of the past decade? Yes, please.

 

[kmwtrucks]

I would probably do OEL straight up but he also has a NMC dounbt he woudl except Chicago knowing its possible we buy him out. my guess is if we do a deal with Vancour its for garland and #11 for #19 and maybe a late 2nd

 

[Wally1112pac]

I would actually do 11 for OEL straight up. The last year or so of that contract wouldn't be ideal for the club but it'd be manageable. Drafting 1, 11, 19 + whatever else we can get our hands on in what is anticipated to be one of the strongest drafts of the past decade? Yes, please.

I would do that trade too but I would want more than just the 11th pick.

4 years at 7.2 is 28+ mil in cap. If Van wants to dump that contract with no retention I'd ask for their '24 1st or '25 1st as well.

Now if the deal did go through, with the 11th we could potentially pick 1 of Leonard, Yager, Reinbacher, Sandin Pellikka or Moore.

That is how you weaponize cap space.

 

[Muffinalt]

Yep OEL straight up is the value, the rest i think is dreaming.

I would do it in a second. 4 years is long, but we need an LD vet going forward anyway, and his last year we can manage.

 

[u2wojo]

It was interesting reading the Canucks board on the convo surrounding the 11th pick. Boeser isn’t a cap dump, the Canucks really don’t have cap problems, but the Hawks can have the 11th for OEL straight up.

Vancouver is hoping they can LTIR Poolman and Pearson and Myers once they pay his bonus shouldn't be overly difficult to move....Arz could use a RHD and Myers at a million real money is right up their alley.

Vancouver does have a GM that has been in place a little over a year and I would imagine he would like to make a few changes....Garland, Boeser, & Oel being the obvious guys that move the needle enough to do other/different things.

I'm not doing OEL straight up for the 11th....Nucks would need to retain some as he is about to turn 32 and has 4 years left (and making 10.5 this year in salary. If they retain a million a year...I might be able to be talked into this.

Boeser may not be a dump, but he has at least some negative value. He is a 5 million a year player with a 6.65 a year caphit. Likewise, Garland also has a little negative value. Garland's caphit of 4.95 is probably not that far off, but his real salary avergaes 5.66 per the next 3 years.

I would do the rumor perculating from Powers of 11 & Garland for 19 & a 2nd if is not our own 2nd (and preferably one of the two late). I would prefer Boeser of Garland if we could.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

Garland might put up numbers with Bedard and he helps them get to the cap floor, they could easily end up moving him in short order for a solid return so it could make some sense, the real prize would be the 11th pick obviously

 

[Ace Card Bedard]

Vancouver is in a bad spot with respect to the cap.
They're at $84M+ right now.

KD should absolutely pry Garland, Boeser, or Myers off that roster with a nice sweetener.
Boeser still has two seasons.
Garland has three.
Myers has one.

 

[u2wojo]

Vancouver is in a bad spot with respect to the cap.
They're at $84M+ right now.

KD should absolutely pry Garland, Boeser, or Myers off that roster with a nice sweetener.
Boeser still has two seasons.
Garland has three.
Myers has one.

Poolman and Pearson are very realistic candidates for LTIR as they missed most of the season and by all account have significant issues. When the Nucks pay Myers bonus this Summer, he is only owed 1 million in salary for his 6 million cap hit. A 3rd or 4th round pick for a million dollars and a chance to retain (about 250K at the deadline in real money) to flip Myers for a 2nd or 3rd is not a hard sell. They really are not bad with the cap at all. I think they are like a lot of teams where they would like to make some moves (GM has been there a little over a year) and would like to move some cap more than HAVE to move cap.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Yep OEL straight up is the value, the rest i think is dreaming.

I would do it in a second. 4 years is long, but we need an LD vet going forward anyway, and his last year we can manage.

23-24 = $7.26M cap hit ($10.5M in actual salary)
24-25 = $7.26M cap hit ($8M in actual salary)
25-26 = $7.26M cap hit ($5.25M in actual salary)
26-27 = $7.26M cap hit ($5.25M in actual salary)

If you buyout OEL this offseason

23-24 = $146,667 cap hit
24-25 = $2,346,667 cap hit
25-26 = $4,766,667 cap hit
26-27 = $4,766,667 cap hit
27-28 = $2,126,667 cap hit
28-29 = $2,126,667 cap hit
29-30 = $2,126,667 cap hit
30-31 = $2,126,667 cap hit

If you buyout OEL next offseason

24-25 = $2,028,889 cap hit
25-26 = $4,448,889 cap hit
26-27 = $4,448,889 cap hit
27-28 = $1,808,889 cap hit
28-29 = $1,808,889 cap hit
29-30 = $1,808,889 cap hit

If you buyout OEL in 2025 offseason

25-26 = $4,180,000 cap hit
26-27 = $4,180,000 cap hit
27-28 = $1,540,000 cap hit
28-29 = $1,540,000 cap hit

If you buyout OEL in 2026 offseason

26-27 = $4,180,000 cap hit
27-28 = $1,540,000 cap hit

Buying out his last year is far from managable

You are talking 4M+ in dead cap when Hawks should be in contending window at that point. No contender would view 4M+ in dead cap as a good situation or manageable.

The Canucks structuring his contract to be front loaded has made buyout a horrible option.

As for OEL on ice he at this point is as bad as Seabrook was near end. And unlike Seabrook he doesn't have excuse of bad shoulder and hip

If Hawks take OEL off Nuck hands, then it will need to be far more than #11 pick coming back

 

[Muffinalt]

23-24 = $7.26M cap hit ($10.5M in actual salary)
24-25 = $7.26M cap hit ($8M in actual salary)
25-26 = $7.26M cap hit ($5.25M in actual salary)
26-27 = $7.26M cap hit ($5.25M in actual salary)

If you buyout OEL this offseason

23-24 = $146,667 cap hit
24-25 = $2,346,667 cap hit
25-26 = $4,766,667 cap hit
26-27 = $4,766,667 cap hit
27-28 = $2,126,667 cap hit
28-29 = $2,126,667 cap hit
29-30 = $2,126,667 cap hit
30-31 = $2,126,667 cap hit

If you buyout OEL next offseason

24-25 = $2,028,889 cap hit
25-26 = $4,448,889 cap hit
26-27 = $4,448,889 cap hit
27-28 = $1,808,889 cap hit
28-29 = $1,808,889 cap hit
29-30 = $1,808,889 cap hit

If you buyout OEL in 2025 offseason

25-26 = $4,180,000 cap hit
26-27 = $4,180,000 cap hit
27-28 = $1,540,000 cap hit
28-29 = $1,540,000 cap hit

If you buyout OEL in 2026 offseason

26-27 = $4,180,000 cap hit
27-28 = $1,540,000 cap hit

Buying out his last year is far from managable

You are talking 4M+ in dead cap when Hawks should be in contending window at that point. No contender would view 4M+ in dead cap as a good situation or manageable.

The Canucks structuring his contract to be front loaded has made buyout a horrible option.

As for OEL on ice he at this point is as bad as Seabrook was near end. And unlike Seabrook he doesn't have excuse of bad shoulder and hip

If Hawks take OEL off Nuck hands, then it will need to be far more than #11 pick coming back

He would be on books for 1 year after a Bedard extension. Only new contracts would be for guys we have burnt ELCs for currently in the org, so who... Reichel?

Why would we need to buy him out? If we are in a pinch we could also trade that final year of his.

It's not as bad as you make out to be - with regards to our team and cap.

Maybe you are right that more value should be coming over, but that's basically a top 10 pick in a loaded draft, not exactly a little thing.

If Leonard/Benson is there I'd care more about getting them then winning the trade.

 

[kmwtrucks]

23-24 = $7.26M cap hit ($10.5M in actual salary)
24-25 = $7.26M cap hit ($8M in actual salary)
25-26 = $7.26M cap hit ($5.25M in actual salary)
26-27 = $7.26M cap hit ($5.25M in actual salary)

If you buyout OEL this offseason

23-24 = $146,667 cap hit
24-25 = $2,346,667 cap hit
25-26 = $4,766,667 cap hit
26-27 = $4,766,667 cap hit
27-28 = $2,126,667 cap hit
28-29 = $2,126,667 cap hit
29-30 = $2,126,667 cap hit
30-31 = $2,126,667 cap hit

If you buyout OEL next offseason

24-25 = $2,028,889 cap hit
25-26 = $4,448,889 cap hit
26-27 = $4,448,889 cap hit
27-28 = $1,808,889 cap hit
28-29 = $1,808,889 cap hit
29-30 = $1,808,889 cap hit

If you buyout OEL in 2025 offseason

25-26 = $4,180,000 cap hit
26-27 = $4,180,000 cap hit
27-28 = $1,540,000 cap hit
28-29 = $1,540,000 cap hit

If you buyout OEL in 2026 offseason

26-27 = $4,180,000 cap hit
27-28 = $1,540,000 cap hit

Buying out his last year is far from managable

You are talking 4M+ in dead cap when Hawks should be in contending window at that point. No contender would view 4M+ in dead cap as a good situation or manageable.

The Canucks structuring his contract to be front loaded has made buyout a horrible option.

As for OEL on ice he at this point is as bad as Seabrook was near end. And unlike Seabrook he doesn't have excuse of bad shoulder and hip

If Hawks take OEL off Nuck hands, then it will need to be far more than #11 pick coming back

OEL has a NMC clause. I think trading him is very unlikely. why would he agree knowing the team might buy him out. that is why they are going to have to move garland and buy him out in 2 years imo

 

[EbonyRaptor]

If Leonard/Benson is there I'd care more about getting them then winning the trade.

This. Exactly.

If having to win the trade results in no trade - did we really win anything? What makes this possible is the amount of cap space we have for as long as we have. Weaponize it to the fullest even if it means some fans think KD got taken to the cleaners. Who cares about perceptions if the result yields better prospect(s).

 

[nmgrbhfn]

OEL has a NMC clause. I think trading him is very unlikely. why would he agree knowing the team might buy him out. that is why they are going to have to move garland and buy him out in 2 years imo

That’s the point. OEL is a poison pill.

 

[Space umpire]

23-24 = $7.26M cap hit ($10.5M in actual salary)
24-25 = $7.26M cap hit ($8M in actual salary)
25-26 = $7.26M cap hit ($5.25M in actual salary)
26-27 = $7.26M cap hit ($5.25M in actual salary)

If you buyout OEL this offseason

23-24 = $146,667 cap hit
24-25 = $2,346,667 cap hit
25-26 = $4,766,667 cap hit
26-27 = $4,766,667 cap hit
27-28 = $2,126,667 cap hit
28-29 = $2,126,667 cap hit
29-30 = $2,126,667 cap hit
30-31 = $2,126,667 cap hit

If you buyout OEL next offseason

24-25 = $2,028,889 cap hit
25-26 = $4,448,889 cap hit
26-27 = $4,448,889 cap hit
27-28 = $1,808,889 cap hit
28-29 = $1,808,889 cap hit
29-30 = $1,808,889 cap hit

If you buyout OEL in 2025 offseason

25-26 = $4,180,000 cap hit
26-27 = $4,180,000 cap hit
27-28 = $1,540,000 cap hit
28-29 = $1,540,000 cap hit

If you buyout OEL in 2026 offseason

26-27 = $4,180,000 cap hit
27-28 = $1,540,000 cap hit

Buying out his last year is far from managable

You are talking 4M+ in dead cap when Hawks should be in contending window at that point. No contender would view 4M+ in dead cap as a good situation or manageable.

The Canucks structuring his contract to be front loaded has made buyout a horrible option.

As for OEL on ice he at this point is as bad as Seabrook was near end. And unlike Seabrook he doesn't have excuse of bad shoulder and hip

If Hawks take OEL off Nuck hands, then it will need to be far more than #11 pick coming back

By the time that last year rolls around the Hawks should be a good and young team.
The cap has risen for 3 years.
It’s time Chicago adds sweetener and moves him. His cap hit is more than his cash. Teams will take him for a year and the pick we give them.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

If you take on OEL you need a major piece coming back and the 11th at a minimum, potentially another 1st unprotected, that contract is real bad...Myers, Boeser or Garland + 11th for 19th swap makes too much sense, fine with either or, Boeser or Garland could make more sense as the Hawks need linemates for Bedard and both have showed offensive upside in the past, could end up being valuable flips next in the next 12-18 months

 

[hawksfan50]

As I said Detroit also has tge cal soace and draft capital to package a movevup .. They have picks 9 and 17 and #41,42and 43 ...Tgey have over $30milkion on cap space ...so they could either package deL to take a co tract dump from VAN at #11or Calgary at #16...just as much if not better than the Hawks are in position to do...It coukd be just take a cobtract plus a 2nd or maybe eve 2 seconds if tgey realky wanted a target at #11...or it coukd be using the #17and 1 of their 2nds or add Mother later pick to move up to #11or#16...

So really tge Hawks have a string rivak bodder for either oor even both these attempted tries to get tge Van or the Calgary 1st rounder(s)...

So Hawks may not be successful in addi g either of those potentially up for grab picks from desperate teams to find cao relief ...

Hawks may be more successful in using 2 of their 2nds to move back up to pick in the 20s to get a target tgey think us off the buatd by#35...similar to successful move up from 2nd round( o move back into the later first to get Rinzel last draft...
So I woukd put our chances of a deal with VAN for#11 (if they feel cornered to give it up to get cap relief +some later pick back t less than10%...a drain with Calgary for #16 involving a 2nd rounder +a fiture 2ndvor 3rd back at about 40% if Calgary also feels co rbered to give up their first to fain tge cap relief...This goes higher if Detroit makes a deal for tge VAN #11 before Hawks talk to Calgary to make a deal.

It coukd also be that both VAN and Calgary decide to keep their firsts and just do cao dumos after the draft such that Ny sweeteners in draft picks they give up to get a cap dump are deferred to next draft in 2024.
So maybe #1and #16are nit in play at all this draft?

 

[EddieTheEagle]

As I said Detroit also has tge cal soace and draft capital to package a movevup .. They have picks 9 and 17 and #41,42and 43 ...Tgey have over $30milkion on cap space ...so they could either package deL to take a co tract dump from VAN at #11or Calgary at #16...just as much if not better than the Hawks are in position to do...It coukd be just take a cobtract plus a 2nd or maybe eve 2 seconds if tgey realky wanted a target at #11...or it coukd be using the #17and 1 of their 2nds or add Mother later pick to move up to #11or#16...

So really tge Hawks have a string rivak bodder for either oor even both these attempted tries to get tge Van or the Calgary 1st rounder(s)...

So Hawks may not be successful in addi g either of those potentially up for grab picks from desperate teams to find cao relief ...

Hawks may be more successful in using 2 of their 2nds to move back up to pick in the 20s to get a target tgey think us off the buatd by#35...similar to successful move up from 2nd round( o move back into the later first to get Rinzel last draft...
So I woukd put our chances of a deal with VAN for#11 (if they feel cornered to give it up to get cap relief +some later pick back t less than10%...a drain with Calgary for #16 involving a 2nd rounder +a fiture 2ndvor 3rd back at about 40% if Calgary also feels co rbered to give up their first to fain tge cap relief...This goes higher if Detroit makes a deal for tge VAN #11 before Hawks talk to Calgary to make a deal.

It coukd also be that both VAN and Calgary decide to keep their firsts and just do cao dumos after the draft such that Ny sweeteners in draft picks they give up to get a cap dump are deferred to next draft in 2024.
So maybe #1and #16are nit in play at all this draft?

Detroit needs to be careful, as I am sure that Seider and Raymond are going to want a little bit of money after next season while trying to fill out a roster that they are hoping makes the playoffs.