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Crosby is generational player imo
Karlsson, Malkin, Ovechkin, Carey Price, Patrick Kane and McDavid are superstars
Girioux, Stamkos, Burns etc are stars
Player Discussion David Pastrnak VII
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Crosby is generational player imo
Karlsson, Malkin, Ovechkin, Carey Price, Patrick Kane and McDavid are superstars
Girioux, Stamkos, Burns etc are stars
Mr. Make-Believe
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Okay, but is anyone suggesting we pay him like a "superstar"?
Just for.... I don't know. Perspective?
In 2014-15, $7M/yr was the 17th highest cap number in the NHL.
In 15-16 and 16-17, it was 21st and 24th respectively.
This year, it will be 27th highest.
As we stand today, it's the 35th highest in 2018-19.
One can say Pastrnak isn't a superstar... But if there are only a handful of those in the NHL, then why is it a talking point? No one is suggesting a top ten cap number for Pasta. Far from it, in fact.
Crosby is a Superstar,the rest are debatable,with McDavid up and coming.
For me,it's the truly elite who is probably a top 3 player year after year,a player whose name and face is recognizable beyond the NHL.
BruinDust
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It's like the "generational" debate you see on the main board every two weeks. It all comes down to one's one definition, it's all subjective.
I'm waiding out of the Pasta debate, one term used in a post and it becomes a debate over what is a superstar vs what is a star, and that sort of debate is main board level nonesense.
Donny, give the kid the Tarasenko deal and be done with this foolishness.
If it hurt's Marchand's feelings, $@$& him. Other's shouldn't take less because he chose to take a below market deal.
Mainehockey33
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The last 5 pages are main board level nonsense.
But what about Marchands feelings?
He's not a superstar so he should be happy with $6M
I can't wait until rookie camp starts.
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DKH
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I would love to see them wait him out
It would be fascinating to watch for me knowing he has little recourse
I'd stick with the Forsberg deal 6/36 until his agent makes the next move
At least 80% of us can agree Filip Forsberg is a better overall player
Your Ok with the numbers but are you Ok with letting him sit ?
Ultimately it's going to be more than that.
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EverettMike
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This thread makes me feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
Does anyone realize how excellent he was last year at an age when most guys haven't played in the NHL yet? I understand being wary of one year (some professional athletes have career years very early), but this place makes him sound like he was decent when he was great.
I think some people might be laying the groundwork to defend a trade if it happens.
Does anyone realize how excellent he was last year at an age when most guys haven't played in the NHL yet? I understand being wary of one year (some professional athletes have career years very early), but this place makes him sound like he was decent when he was great.
I think some people might be laying the groundwork to defend a trade if it happens.
Fonzerelli
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I suppose there might be some disagreement on certain players being considered "budding superstars", but I think there is some precedent;
Ryan Johansen put up 63 points (33G/30A) in the final year of his ELC and signed a 3 X 3 bridge deal before getting his 8 X 8
Claude Giroux was impressive in all 3 of his ELC years, punctuated by 76 pts (25G/51A) in the final year of his ELC before signing a modest 3 X 3.75 bridge to his 8 X 8.25 deal
Zach Parise had 62 pts (31G/31A) in the final year of his ELC and then signed a very modest 4 X 3.125 bridge deal before agreeing his massive $98,000,000.00 set-for-10-lifetimes contract.
A bit of a step down to O'Reilly, who put up 55 in the final year of his ELC and took two weird bridge deals ( 2 X 5 & 2 X 6) to reach his now 7 X 7.5 deal.
Two guys who didn't neccesarily live up to the superstar hype ... good players but not superstars ... but were budding superstars at the time were Jaden Schwartz and Brayden Schenn.
Schwartz put up 56 in the final year of his ELC (25G/31A) , settled for a 2 X 2.35 bridge deal enroute to a relatively modest 5 X 5.35 deal.
Schenn came to the NHL riding a wave of hype, put up a respectable but under-whelming 41 in the final year of his ELC (20G/21A). He still wore the cloak of hope, but settled for a 2 X 2.5 bridge deal before getting a 4 X 5.12 payday.
TJ Oshie had 3 solid years on his ELC and a perrenial on Team USA - was definitely considered a budding superstar. He only played 49 games the final year of his ELC but still up 33 points. He settled on a 1 year bridge deal worth 2.5 million. He put up 54 points on that deal, which earned him a modest 5 X 4.175 deal. This year he got a small raise, giving the Caps a new-home town discount with a 8 X 5.75
Jason Spezza might have the world's worst agent. Put up 55 points in year two of his ELC before exploding for 117 points for Binghampton during the lockout. He could only manage a 1 year 1.1 million dollar bridge with the Senators - a contract he absolutely grand-slammed with a 90 point campaign in just 68 games. He was only able to turn that into a 2 year bridge at 4.5 (2 X 4.5) and he crushed those years with 87 & 90 point seasons. He FINALLY got his 7 X 7 after that, and lived up to every single year of it.
On the blue line, Brent Burns, Erik Johnson and Shea Weber stand out as guys who bridged their way to big paydays.
Burns was an absolutely stud in the final year of his ELC, posting 43 pts from the blue line (15G/28A) and matching with a gritty 80 PIMs. That only earned him a 4 year audition to "prove it" at 3.55 ( 4 X 3.55) before getting a modest 5 X 5.76 bump in pay before finally getting the 8 X 8 payday he signed this year.
Johnson, the first overall pick in 2006, posted 39 points (10G/29A) in the final year of his ELC. That only got him a 2 year 2 X 2.6 bridge deal to another 4 year $ X 3.75 bridge deal to his 7 X 6 payday.
Weber posted 40 in year two of his ELC and then 20 in an injury shortened 3rd year. That earned him a 3 X 4.5 bridge in which he put up 53, 43 and 48 pts. He also dominated the World Championships with 4 goals and 12 pts in 9 games and was a point a game guy at the Olympics. Despite all that success, he was only able to negotiate a 1 year extension at 7.5. He put up 49 points in that season and finally got his whopping $110,000,000.00 payday.
So yeah, I'd say there is precedent with budding superstars on bridge deals that have worked out pretty well for both sides. I guess each of these cases likely has arguments that either the player or team won, depending on your perspective. I'm not sure any one of those bridge deals crippled the teams that handed them out down the road, or came back to haunt them in any way. Even the giant payday that Weber eventually received, the team was able to flip for PK Subban and ride him to the Stanley Cup Finals (though clearly, Montreal will get the benefit of Weber without having to pay much).
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Hali33
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It's definitely interesting when you contrast that with how untouchable and highly regarded our prospects are around here before they've hit the lineup.
And yet here's a kid who made the team year one, scores 34 goals at 21 and IMO has a higher ceiling than any of them and suddenly he's overated and disposable cause a deal's not done?
I also don't remember reading any of this stuff in season before we knew it would take longer to get the contract done.
KrejciMVP
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For all any of us really know the deal is already done and signed and won't be announced until camp like with Marchand last year.
However, for the sake of debate and speculation ...
How often have young players had one great year never to reach that level again? It happens.
But with Pastrnak because of his personality and approach to the game as long as he is having fun playing I believe that he will continue to improve. Right now he comes across as the boy who has the tiger by the tail.
What does that translate into dollars? Well, he only has one really good season at this level on his resume. The Bruins need to decide whether they want him to prove he can repeat or whether they want to pay for the perceived potential. Either way it is going to cost the Bruins money. And either way, Pastrnak is going to have to prove he's worth the money in the long run.
My guess if a bridge deal 2 - 3 years something in the range of 5 - 6 mil each.
A long term deal guessing 7 - 8 years earning somewhere between 47 - 57 mil including bonuses.
However, for the sake of debate and speculation ...
How often have young players had one great year never to reach that level again? It happens.
But with Pastrnak because of his personality and approach to the game as long as he is having fun playing I believe that he will continue to improve. Right now he comes across as the boy who has the tiger by the tail.
What does that translate into dollars? Well, he only has one really good season at this level on his resume. The Bruins need to decide whether they want him to prove he can repeat or whether they want to pay for the perceived potential. Either way it is going to cost the Bruins money. And either way, Pastrnak is going to have to prove he's worth the money in the long run.
My guess if a bridge deal 2 - 3 years something in the range of 5 - 6 mil each.
A long term deal guessing 7 - 8 years earning somewhere between 47 - 57 mil including bonuses.
DKH
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I don't think Marchand cares he's to busy having kids and dealing with his new house
But Dreger article was bizarre
He mentioned Marchand 4 times and alluded to his contract being respectful or similar certainly conscious of it?
Why I don't know
I've had people in the last 24 hours tell me A) they are pretty sure Marchand could care less and was aware what he was doing when he signed; B) really likes Pastrnak and I'm sure always will
DKH
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Where are you getting that?
All I read about is they are 'junk' (that was used) and even Corey Pronman rated them going by who was in 1-100 easy bottom 5-10 overall. What 1 guy in top 90 lol
Heck the Hockey News had Bjork nowhere near top 10 on Boston
I'm starting to think maybe they really aren't that they probably are bottom half
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If JP Barry is using Draisaitl as a comparable:
Pastrnak is better 5v5 with 2.19 P/60 to Draisaitl's 1.96
Pastrnak is at 1.03 G/60 to Draisaitl's 0.64
Pastrnak also has 13 more 5v5 goals in 19 fewer games in their first three years in the league.
If Draisaitl's versatility to play on the wing and at center, his playoff performance, and the potential of Edmonton needing to slightly overpay to keep him in Edmonton were all factors in his recent contract with the Oilers, then I do not see a reason why Pastrnak being worth around $7M is out of the question.
A bridge deal would be ideal for all RFAs, but in my opinion, nowadays, bridge deals are for players that teams aren't 100% sold on regardless of their talent and projection. Pastrnak shouldn't fall into that category. I would lament the fact that Pastrnak becomes a UFA in a year or two, puts up similar or better numbers, and the Bruins would have to deal with JP Barry again. Just by looking at how long the current negotiation process has been with the player and team both wanting a deal done and his involvement in past contract negotiations with the Bruins involving Hamilton and Eriksson, I hope the Bruins do not go that route.
Pastrnak is better 5v5 with 2.19 P/60 to Draisaitl's 1.96
Pastrnak is at 1.03 G/60 to Draisaitl's 0.64
Pastrnak also has 13 more 5v5 goals in 19 fewer games in their first three years in the league.
If Draisaitl's versatility to play on the wing and at center, his playoff performance, and the potential of Edmonton needing to slightly overpay to keep him in Edmonton were all factors in his recent contract with the Oilers, then I do not see a reason why Pastrnak being worth around $7M is out of the question.
A bridge deal would be ideal for all RFAs, but in my opinion, nowadays, bridge deals are for players that teams aren't 100% sold on regardless of their talent and projection. Pastrnak shouldn't fall into that category. I would lament the fact that Pastrnak becomes a UFA in a year or two, puts up similar or better numbers, and the Bruins would have to deal with JP Barry again. Just by looking at how long the current negotiation process has been with the player and team both wanting a deal done and his involvement in past contract negotiations with the Bruins involving Hamilton and Eriksson, I hope the Bruins do not go that route.
DKH
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I am coming to your side
I was cutting the lawn and maybe I was tired, maybe to hot out, but for the first time I thought this: Pastrnak is a Super star and give him what he wants; and our prospects are not that good we will miss the playoffs. Let's get a vet like Jagr or Vanek or Gionta or even all 3.
DKH
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I'm ****ing dense Lou but I think Crosby is a notch better
Malkin is to Crosby what Messier was to Gretzky
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