Player Discussion David Krejci. IV

[Mainehockey33]

Also his production last year was pretty much right in line with his career point production even though he was playing fewer minutes per game

I thought he looked slow last year playing with Debrusk and Spooner but he turned a corner around the trade deadline.

 

[NDiesel]

I'd try replacing Backes with a kid from prov way way before Krejci.

Absolutely, at least he can still gather points

 

[13Hockey]

Come on, man, stop it. You know what I mean there. Six games tell you jack all about how most player's seasons are going to go. Take the long view. How was last season for you with Krejci? Was that a decline? We'll see if the trend continues or not.

He produced fine last year playing with a rookie and a bum in Ryan Spooner for almost the whole season

Flip Bergeron to the 2nd line and Krejci to the first line 3 years ago

And every thread here would be about Bergeron declining cause his point total dropped a few points from his career normals... ignoring that he plays with Vatrano, Hayes, Spooner, etc

 

[NDiesel]

It's the old HF Boards double standard if you ask me.

People criticise Krejci's play, and folks reply with...well he's on pace for X number of points. Ignoring the rest of his game.

Meanwhile a young player like Donato did late last year, comes in a puts up points, and all we hear is "what about his 200 ft. game" and "he's losing board battles".

Overall I thought Krejci's game has been fairly lousy this year.

Now, that being said, it doesn't mean he's a terrible player, nor does that mean other teams wouldn't want him.

But his trade value isn't massive, and he's simply not the player he used to be IMO. He's a high end No.3/low end No.2 two-way playmaking C. He's not a 1-A/1-B level C anymore.

I don't see him going anywhere. So the Bruins can either concede he's the No.2 C for better or worse and try to get him some help, or put him on the 3rd line and lessen his role even further.

I'm a big Krejci defender on here, but he's been trash so far this year. I'm not worried though, as these guys age it generally will take longer for them to get going.

 

[BruinDust]

I'm a big Krejci defender on here, but he's been trash so far this year. I'm not worried though, as these guys age it generally will take longer for them to get going.

Fact is, most of the guys in his age range are in the decline. Go look at the guys left from those 2002-2004 draft classes, the vast majority (obviously there are exceptions) we've seen their best hockey already, if they are in the league at all.

I do think your right may take him a bit longer to get going. I can't see him being this bad for the entire season.

 

[DKH]

Didn’t see last night looked good live the Edmonton game and Detroit.

But I always wanted to be part of something so he suuuuuux

 

[BruinDust]

He produced fine last year playing with a rookie and a bum in Ryan Spooner for almost the whole season

Flip Bergeron to the 2nd line and Krejci to the first line 3 years ago

And every thread here would be about Bergeron declining cause his point total dropped a few points from his career normals... ignoring that he plays with Vatrano, Hayes, Spooner, etc

He rarely played with Vatrano or Hayes.

 

[13Hockey]

From 08/09- 12/13 5 seasons

Bergeron averaged 19 goals a season

From 13/14- 17/18 5 season

Bergeron averaged 30 goals a season

It’s almost as if Marchand Becoming a all star and Pastrnak becoming an all star

Made Bergeron a much better offensive player and elavated his game due to his line mates

But yet with Krejci it doesn’t matter who his line mates our it’s always he needs to elavate there games! He needs to score points...he doesn’t score 60 points with Spooner as a wing so now he sucks he’s declining...every great center still needs good wingers

 

[13Hockey]

He rarely played with Vatrano or Hayes.

Just picking random people he hasn’t had steady good linemates since Lucic Krejci Iginla

 

[Rubber Biscuit]

From 08/09- 12/13 5 seasons

Bergeron averaged 19 goals a season

From 13/14- 17/18 5 season

Bergeron averaged 30 goals a season

It’s almost as if Marchand Becoming a all star and Pastrnak becoming an all star

Made Bergeron a much better offensive player and elavated his game due to his line mates

But yet with Krejci it doesn’t matter who his line mates our it’s always he needs to elavate there games! He needs to score points...he doesn’t score 60 points with Spooner as a wing so now he sucks

Yea that's a bit too simple for me in regards to Bergeron... There's several other factors in his increased production.

 

[Dr Hook]

It's the old HF Boards double standard if you ask me.

People criticise Krejci's play, and folks reply with...well he's on pace for X number of points. Ignoring the rest of his game.

Meanwhile a young player like Donato did late last year, comes in a puts up points, and all we hear is "what about his 200 ft. game" and "he's losing board battles".

It's a bit more nuanced than that. Donato is on an ELC and is 22 years old with no NHL experience. I guess I was ragging on Krejci a bit, but I do think he is a decent player, and he does play generally responsible two way hockey, so even if he is not producing points or chances he is not hurting the team by being out there. He is also a 14 year NHL vet and makes $7.25 mil so the expectations are rightfully higher. Donato if he isn't scoring is a liability out there *at the moment.* Not so much when he came in on fire, but for sure to start this season his play has not been good. I guess if we boil it down here, the issue with Krejci is not whether he is a decent player or not, but what we need him to be at that salary and in that 2c spot. So for some of us, there is no double standard at work, just different expectations of what we want to see from different players.

 

[LSCII]

Just picking random people he hasn’t had steady good linemates since Lucic Krejci Iginla

So after Lucic/Horton and Lucic/Iginla, he didn't play with a guy that scored 30 or more goals multiple times? And over 20 goals multiple times? Loui Eriksson ring a bell for you? But sure he hasn't had any good line mates, aside from the good ones he has actually had.

 

[LSCII]

From 08/09- 12/13 5 seasons

Bergeron averaged 19 goals a season

From 13/14- 17/18 5 season

Bergeron averaged 30 goals a season

It’s almost as if Marchand Becoming a all star and Pastrnak becoming an all star

Made Bergeron a much better offensive player and elavated his game due to his line mates

But yet with Krejci it doesn’t matter who his line mates our it’s always he needs to elavate there games! He needs to score points...he doesn’t score 60 points with Spooner as a wing so now he sucks he’s declining...every great center still needs good wingers

False narrative on Bergeron. He was a 30 goal scorer in his second season at the NHL level and his production dipped because Claude asked him to play a more defensive game and his career threatening concussion. Sure Marchand and Pasta have helped, but he also made Reilly Smith a productive player and got the best out of a million year old Mark Recchi. All while taking on the other team's top line as his defensive responsibility. So let's not rewrite history by excluding key details.

 

[13Hockey]

So after Lucic/Horton and Lucic/Iginla, he didn't play with a guy that scored 30 or more goals multiple times? And over 20 goals multiple times? Loui Eriksson ring a bell for you? But sure he hasn't had any good line mates, aside from the good ones he has actually had.

Loui didn’t play much with Krejci at all
It was Soderberg a lot and Bergeron some Krejci

 

[KrejciMVP]

It's a bit more nuanced than that. Donato is on an ELC and is 22 years old with no NHL experience. I guess I was ragging on Krejci a bit, but I do think he is a decent player, and he does play generally responsible two way hockey, so even if he is not producing points or chances he is not hurting the team by being out there. He is also a 14 year NHL vet and makes $7.25 mil so the expectations are rightfully higher. Donato if he isn't scoring is a liability out there *at the moment.* Not so much when he came in on fire, but for sure to start this season his play has not been good. I guess if we boil it down here, the issue with Krejci is not whether he is a decent player or not, but what we need him to be at that salary and in that 2c spot. So for some of us, there is no double standard at work, just different expectations of what we want to see from different players.

amazing how easy it is or you to call out Krejci but in the other thread you admitted you find it so difficult to call out Backes. You're doing it all wrong x 1000000.

 

[13Hockey]

False narrative on Bergeron. He was a 30 goal scorer in his second season at the NHL level and his production dipped because Claude asked him to play a more defensive game and his career threatening concussion. Sure Marchand and Pasta have helped, but he also made Reilly Smith a productive player and got the best out of a million year old Mark Recchi. All while taking on the other team's top line as his defensive responsibility. So let's not rewrite history by excluding key details.

And Krejci is managing 50 point seasons saddled with Beleskey and Spooner for full seasons but he is terrible and decling immensely

Why don’t people talk about that history with Krejci than..instead everyone says his play has dipped recently but in reality he has no help around him

Every time Krejci has linemates he produces at high level

Every time Bergeron has linemates he produces at a high level

When Krejci doesn’t have good linemates his play and production slightly dips

When Bergeron doesn’t have good linemates his play and production slightly dip

Last few years Bergeron has line mates Krejci doesn’t neither are decling one just has a better set up to succeed currently

 

[Dr Hook]

amazing how easy it is or you to call out Krejci but in the other thread you find it so difficult to call out Backes. You're doing it all wrong

I know I said Backes has not been good. If you look even moderately hard, you'll find it. But shouldn't you be getting your pre-game nap in, David?

 

[KrejciMVP]

I know I said Backes has not been good. If you look even moderately hard, you'll find it. But shouldn't you be getting your pre-game nap in, David?

the point is you said you hate even having to call out Backes. lol He's the worst Bruins bust in decades, its not hard!!!!

"I kind of hate to even post this, but I will because what the hell- it's a day off work and I am deliberately doing nothing productive and am probably having too much time to think about this sort of stuff:

When I saw Backes last night, I had a horrible flashback to Jimmy Hayes. I felt a weird twinge while watching him, and then seeing him on the powerplay as a "big body presence"- (Just read that in a post, apologies for not crediting the author properly- and it coalesced the thought.

Backes is far superior to Jimmy Hayes in a lot of ways, but I will admit to that sinking feeling coming on a little bit"

 

[KrejciMVP]

And Krejci is managing 50 point seasons saddled with Beleskey and Spooner for full seasons but he is terrible and decling immensely

Why don’t people talk about that history with Krejci than..instead everyone says his play has dipped recently but in reality he has no help around him

Honestly I'm surprised he sticks around. It's clear the Bruins are 1 line team. Why wouldn't he want to join a team that compliments him?

 

[Dr Hook]

Right, so comparing David Backes to Jimmy Hayes is not calling him out? Okay, then. But I see what you did there. Yeah I hate to think David Backes is turning into Hayes/Beleskey part II. I hate to think any Bruin becoming either of them- it's awful. I guess you'll have a good point when you find me comparing Krejci to either of those guys.

 

[22Brad Park]

Honestly I'm surprised he sticks around. It's clear the Bruins are 1 line team. Why wouldn't he want to join a team that compliments him?

Probably because his family life is setup nice..Happy wife happy life .lol

 

[Dr Hook]

Honestly I'm surprised he sticks around. It's clear the Bruins are 1 line team. Why wouldn't he want to join a team that compliments him?

Yeah why don't you waive your NMC David? Islanders need a center . . .

 

[13Hockey]

I’m 100% positive with all of us fighting about Krejci today that tonight

He will go out there and have a 5 point game

Or

Be a -5 with horrible turnovers

 

[Dr Hook]

I’m 100% positive with all of us fighting about Krejci today that tonight

He will go out there and have a 5 point game

Or

Be a -5 with horrible turnovers

Feast or famine I hope it is the first option!

 

[Mainehockey33]

So after Lucic/Horton and Lucic/Iginla, he didn't play with a guy that scored 30 or more goals multiple times? And over 20 goals multiple times? Loui Eriksson ring a bell for you? But sure he hasn't had any good line mates, aside from the good ones he has actually had.

He had 63 points in 72 games that year with Loui. I think that just adds to his argument that Krejci produces when he has quality wingers.