David Desharnais - The 3rd line edition

[The Nightman]

It's still 75% of the equation. Half the top 2 centers in the NHL are one way players that don't play very physical. The guys like Toews are few and far in between.

The only way dd contributes is by his "offensive production" which is bloated by being constantly paired with Pacioretty and being sheltered by getting tons of offensive zone starts. What else exactly does he do that impact the team positively? He's too weak to properly forecheck and backcheck, he consistently loses his man in defensive coverage, doesn't shoot, can't carry/control the puck and isn't particularly fast enough for being such a little guy. He's not close to a number 2 center on a team striving to win a cup, if you want an example of a number 2 center you don't have to look far because the Habs have one already in Tomas Plekanec, don't you say dd is in anyway as effective as Plekanec.

He's used the same way other #1 and 2 centers are used. Not sure what planet you're living on, but that's reality. Unfortunately on here, reality often doesn't matter.

Classic cherry picking response from you, read what you want to read lol

 

[Capitaine Subban*]

He's done it with the coaching staffs of both organizations.

But of course it's outlandish that the small, soft, below average 2 way center who has gotten an absurd amount of ice time with Paciorety in the last 2 years has nothing to do with what province he was born in hey?

Good one.

Ya, it is shameful.

 

[Monctonscout]

The only way dd contributes is by his "offensive production" which is bloated by being constantly paired with Pacioretty and being sheltered by getting tons of offensive zone starts. What else exactly does he do that impact the team positively? He's too weak to properly forecheck and backcheck, he consistently loses his man in defensive coverage, doesn't shoot, can't carry/control the puck and isn't particularly fast enough for being such a little guy. He's not close to a number 2 center on a team striving to win a cup, if you want an example of a number 2 center you don't have to look far because the Habs have one already in Tomas Plekanec, don't you say dd is in anyway as effective as Plekanec.



Classic cherry picking response from you, read what you want to read lol

If Plekanec was a #2 guy on a team he'd be among the top 5-6 in the NHL at that spot. But some #2's are not really #2's like Malkin/Crosby, both are #1's.

Again, most of your post is made up BS to try to support your claims which the facts easily counter.

 

[Nynja*]

...and your point is?

The numbers put him as a low end #1 to high end #2 center. For a top 6 forward, that's a big part of the job description. I don't know any high end top 6 guys that are there for their defense only.

Jesus christ, are you a scout from the 1970's, where all you look at are "Games played, Goals, Points"? Maybe you should get up to the times, this is 2015, we look at more than Games Played, Goals and Points.

 

[Monctonscout]

Finished 42nd in scoring for centers, and 85th for forwards. That is clearly not the numbers that a low end #1 puts up, and that's ignoring every other aspect of the game. Say points were the only thing that mattered-- he still doesn't deserve the ice time, linemates, and PP favoritism he receives. But, once we factor in defensive responsibilities, and consider what others could do in replacing him, it becomes even more clear that he doesn't deserve a spot on the top line, probably not the top 2, or maybe 3 even. The thing that irks me, and others, most about DD is that he's never held accountable, and that MT will never play Galchenyuk or Eller on the top line for more than a handful of games (handful of seconds for the latter lol). At least try to see if the others can produce as well or better than DD on the scoreboard (Chucky has already shown he can), which I have faith they can do, and then the top line doesn't consist of a clumsy, one-dimensional midget who's afraid to shoot. Chucky could easily replicate the production of DD, he scored 2 less points on the season in less games, playing 2nd line left wing with ****ing Pleks and whoever MT drew out of his hat, while DD got spoonfed copious amounts of powerplay time and played ES with Pacioretty and Gallagher.

You can't legitimately tell me that our team looks better with DD on our first line instead of Galchenyuk.

I don't think he had 41 centers in front of him this past year. Plekanec is 24th Desharnais is 37th

Tavares Crosby Backstrom Seguin Sedin Stamkos Giroux T.Johnson Johansen Malkin
Getzlaf Toews Pavelski Thornton Couture Datsyuk Zetterberg Turris Kopitar Monahan
Carter Ribeiro Spezza Plekanec Brassard Bakes Hopkins Bergeron Duchene ROR Stepan Staal Little Scheifele Bozak Koivu

Moving Galchenyuk to center doesn't add offense, you just move players around. Plus by moving him from LW to C you give him non offensive responsibilities which might reduce his offense in the short term.

 

[sheed36]

Well I'm shocked..

 

[The Nightman]

If Plekanec was a #2 guy on a team he'd be among the top 5-6 in the NHL at that spot. But some #2's are not really #2's like Malkin/Crosby, both are #1's.

Again, most of your post is made up BS to try to support your claims which the facts easily counter.

2nd line centers?

Kesler, Krejci, Zetterberg, Carter, Koivu, Fisher, Stepan/Brassard, Nielsen, Couture, Stastny/Lehtera, Johnson/Filppula, Little, Zibanejad etc.

We have Davey freaking Desharnais

What am I making up lol? The only "facts" you have are dd's point totals which clearly doesn't paint the full picture, maybe in you fantasy land but not in reality.

 

[Sorinth]

As for 'splitting EGG line up to help DD'

HE WAS SPLIT UP FROM EGG AFTER GAME 3 TO PLAY ON PACIORETTY'S LINE. HE GOT PROMOTED.

Suddenly playing with Pacioretty is a demotion for Eller? It lasted 2 games with max and then he was back on EGG. Please don't make a big deal about this, he got bumped to 1st line and his TOI increased.

You know what's funny is that the top line had combined for 1 point in 3 games. Eller got promoted and in those two games Pacioretty scored 2 goals, Briere got his first point as a Hab and the line combined for 4 points.

So Eller did actually jump start the top line and get Pacioretty going, but Pacioretty got injured the next game.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Well I'm shocked..

Waiting for MonctonScout to ignore or somehow discredit McKenzie.

 

[Monctonscout]

2nd line centers?

Kesler, Krejci, Zetterberg, Carter, Koivu, Fisher, Stepan/Brassard, Nielsen, Couture, Stastny/Lehtera, Johnson/Filppula, Little, Zibanejad etc.

We have Davey freaking Desharnais

What am I making up lol? The only "facts" you have are dd's point totals which clearly doesn't paint the full picture, maybe in you fantasy land but not in reality.

Koivu is the top center in Minnesota. Same for Little in Winnipeg.

Having Weise as your #4 winger and Galchenyuk putting up 3-8-11 his last 32 games as the #3 winger is a big part of the problem.

 

[Hullois]

Lol, neither of those guys has anything to do with Desharnais and the favouritism shown to him in the last 3 years.

Nice try though!

And the fact that he speaks French has nothing to do with how DD is treated.

This false narrative again eh

 

[OnTheRun]

Waiting for MonctonScout to ignore or somehow discredit McKenzie.

McKenzie never played in the AHL, thus Therrien know better.

 

[The Nightman]

Koivu is the top center in Minnesota. Same for Little in Winnipeg.

Having Weise as your #4 winger and Galchenyuk putting up 3-8-11 his last 32 games as the #3 winger is a big part of the problem.

Davey's 10 points in his last 28 games also didn't help much, nor did his soft play on the puck and being a defensive liability help either.

Let's keep the topic on Desharnais(I know you like blaming others) and how one dimensional he is, and how that one dimension really isn't enough for a team building towards a cup.

We're waiting.

 

[Monctonscout]

Davey's 10 points in his last 28 games also didn't help much, nor did his soft play on the puck and being a defensive liability help either.

Let's keep the topic on Desharnais(I know you like blaming others) and how one dimensional he is, and how that one dimension really isn't enough for a team building towards a cup.

We're waiting.

He's better defensively than Galchenyuk, and it's not even close...but people still think Glachenyuk would be an instant upgrade.

 

[WeThreeKings]

LOL

Desharnais is not better defensively than Galchenyuk. They're both below average. Which is excusable for the young player still developing his strength.. and inexcusable for the clown who's been playing this position his entire time in the league.

 

[Sorinth]

If Plekanec was a #2 guy on a team he'd be among the top 5-6 in the NHL at that spot. But some #2's are not really #2's like Malkin/Crosby, both are #1's.

Again, most of your post is made up BS to try to support your claims which the facts easily counter.

Exactly. If you want to win the cup you need to be one of the top 5-6 teams.

 

[WhiskeySeven*]

LOL

Desharnais is not better defensively than Galchenyuk. They're both below average. Which is excusable for the young player still developing his strength.. and inexcusable for the clown who's been playing this position his entire time in the league.

And they both sucked in the playoffs. But one has tons more potential than the other so it's inexcusable to play DD over Busty Chucky.

 

[WeThreeKings]

And they both sucked in the playoffs. But one has tons more potential than the other so it's inexcusable to play DD over Busty Chucky.

Desharnais has always sucked in the play-offs.

The entire team sucked in this play-offs.

 

[The Nightman]

He's better defensively than Galchenyuk, and it's not even close...but people still think Glachenyuk would be an instant upgrade.

Like WTK said, They're pretty much even defensively and I prefer to have Galchenyuk develop at center than have measly 29 y/o Davey there stalling Galchenyuk's progression into hopefully becoming the future #1 center of this organization.

 

[Shawarma*]

He's better defensively than Galchenyuk, and it's not even close...but people still think Glachenyuk would be an instant upgrade.

Desharnais is terrible defensively. He can't win a board battle to save his life and couldn't bump Manute Bol (RIP) off the puck if he tried.

He's awful.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Nobody in the league wants DD..

we block Chucky and use DD on the top line and PP unit..

Laughable.

 

[phoque taupe]

and we are about to start another thread about him
yay