Injury Report: David Bolland

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From the last thread:

James Mirtle ‏
@mirtle 1m Bolland had a tendon on the outside of his left ankle severed, meaning it wasn't the achilles affected.

Mike Brophy
‏@HockeyBroph 4m David Bolland's surgery is successful and he is out indefinitely

Terry Koshan ‏
@koshtorontosun 5m #Leafs announce Bolland has had successful surgery and is out indefinitely; waiting for practice to begin at Air Canada Centre


Toronto Maple Leafs ‏
@MapleLeafs 8m Dave Bolland had successful surgery to repair a severed tendon on the outside of his left ankle. He is out indefinitely #Leafs

Mod update edit Dec 3rd:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Canada4Gold View Post
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/b...-to-returning/

saying he may be on the ice in a couple week, and possibly ready shortly after the Winter Classic
Mod update: Specialist result...
http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/...d_feschuk.html

Last thread was over 1100 posts, figured I'd make a new one (hopefully it won't last much longer). I know people say he won't be anywhere near 100%, he isn't as key as we say, but we need him back... He's the only two-way C we have other than Bozak and he could really help our team's PK as well as our play down the stretch.

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[BertCorbeau]

Even if he returns I don't think he'll be nearly as effective as he was prior to the injury .. That's a tough one to come back from

 

[Cor]

He has been cleared to play since the Olympics per Claude Loiselle.

Doubt he comes back at all, he wants to get a good deal July 1st

 

[Leafidelity]

I think it's about time to start planning without Bolland

 

[rdawg1234]

absolute waste if this guy doesnt come back soon and then leaves in the off-season.

Why would any team give him a big contract with this kind of injury problem, he's gonna get 1-2 years 4m max.

 

[Community]

Even if he returns I don't think he'll be nearly as effective as he was prior to the injury .. That's a tough one to come back from

I don't think he'll be as good as he was pre-injury, but I think at this point in their careers he will be an upgrade on Holland... That's enough to want him to come back asap.

Also, I believe he'll help off-ice too (dressing room/bench). Obviously I don't think he'll be as good as he was pre-injury though, I still want him back in the line-up.

Heck, put Kulie back at C and call up D'amigo and I'd be happy... I just want a 3rd line C that is responsible defensively and can chip in offensively.

Lupul - Kadri - Holland
D'amigo - Kulie - Clarkson

If our 2nd/3rd lines are the above, I'd be fine with it.

 

[Cor]

I don't think he'll be as good as he was pre-injury, but I think at this point in their careers he will be an upgrade on Holland... That's enough to want him to come back asap.

Also, I believe he'll help off-ice too (dressing room/bench). Obviously I don't think he'll be as good as he was pre-injury though, I still want him back in the line-up.

Heck, put Kulie back at C and call up D'amigo and I'd be happy... I just want a 3rd line C that is responsible defensively and can chip in offensively.

Lupul - Kadri - Holland
D'amigo - Kulie - Clarkson

If our 2nd/3rd lines are the above, I'd be fine with it.

I'd probably make Holland the center, but yes, so much yes. Even Leivo on the third and have D'Amigo on the 4th

 

[egd27]

absolute waste if this guy doesnt come back soon and then leaves in the off-season.

Why would any team give him a big contract with this kind of injury problem, he's gonna get 1-2 years 4m max.

You overestimate the logic employed by NHL gm's.

 

[Community]

I'd probably make Holland the center, but yes, so much yes. Even Leivo on the third and have D'Amigo on the 4th

I could get behind a Leivo call-up, but I doubt Carlyle/Nonis will do it... I really don't understand why D'amigo went down, he was playing great for us. He even scored a goal in one of his last few games, he'd help our PK, provide more hustle, and he's been a monster in the AHL playoffs.

Yeah, I wouldn't be against Leivo getting a call-up either... As for Holland playing C, I just think Kadri has higher potential so I want to keep him at centre, but I could be persuaded to make Holland the C.

 

[TmlHockeyFan]

2014-2015 Season-- (Assuming no trades/signings) Bring up some AHL guys next year

JVR-Bozak-Kessel
Lupul-Kadri-Kulemin
Broll-Holland-Clarkson
Ashton-McClement-Devane

Phaneuf-Gunnarsson
Gardiner-Rielly
Franson-Gleason

#1 PP:
Lupul-Kadri-Kessel (assuming Kadri continues improving faceoffs)

#2 PP
JVR-Bozak-Holland

 

[ToMaLe]

2014-2015 Season-- (Assuming no trades/signings) Bring up some AHL guys next year

JVR-Bozak-Kessel
Lupul-Kadri-Kulemin
Broll-Holland-Clarkson
Ashton-McClement-Devane

Phaneuf-Gunnarsson
Gardiner-Rielly
Franson-Gleason

#1 PP:
Lupul-Kadri-Kessel (assuming Kadri continues improving faceoffs)

#2 PP
JVR-Bozak-Holland

Im hoping Komarov is back with us next season....

 

[TmlHockeyFan]

Im hoping Komarov is back with us next season....

Me too.

 

[Jer416]

2014-2015 Season-- (Assuming no trades/signings) Bring up some AHL guys next year

JVR-Bozak-Kessel
Lupul-Kadri-Kulemin
Broll-Holland-Clarkson
Ashton-McClement-Devane

Phaneuf-Gunnarsson
Gardiner-Rielly
Franson-Gleason

#1 PP:
Lupul-Kadri-Kessel (assuming Kadri continues improving faceoffs)

#2 PP
JVR-Bozak-Holland

Bodie > Broll for me

 

[Community]

2014-2015 Season-- (Assuming no trades/signings) Bring up some AHL guys next year

JVR-Bozak-Kessel
Lupul-Kadri-Kulemin
Broll-Holland-Clarkson
Ashton-McClement-Devane

Phaneuf-Gunnarsson
Gardiner-Rielly
Franson-Gleason

#1 PP:
Lupul-Kadri-Kessel (assuming Kadri continues improving faceoffs)

#2 PP
JVR-Bozak-Holland

Broll should not be on an NHL teams 3rd line... 4th line? I guess, but not our third line.

Gardiner + Rielly should not be paired together at this point in their careers as neither is very good defensively (maybe they will be some day, but as of now they are below average defensively).

I want Franson gone... Get that chump outta here, far too big of a pain defensively.

JVR will not be leaving the #1 PP unit as he is great in front of the net and works well with Kessel... If you wanted to get creative and Bozak doesn't have a very good offensively, I'd be more inclined to do JVR - Lupul - Kessel, Kadri - Bozak - XXX where one of JVR/Lupul takes the faceoffs and we know Kessel works well with both JVR and Lupul. This is unlikely however and our PP has been great the last 2+ seasons.

 

[JackJ]

He has been cleared to play since the Olympics per Claude Loiselle.

Doubt he comes back at all, he wants to get a good deal July 1st

If theres any truth to this Nonis should run the other way.

 

[Beleafer4]

If theres any truth to this Nonis should run the other way.

At least come back in the playoffs...

 

[thunderhawk905*]

He has been cleared to play since the Olympics per Claude Loiselle.

Doubt he comes back at all, he wants to get a good deal July 1st

There's a difference between being cleared, and being ready to play. Physically, yes Bolland might be cleared by NHL standards but maybe not with the team/personal standards.

This type of injury is slated right next to Modano's (6 months out to the day) so I'd say Bolland is on track with his recovery time line.

Of course the fans are upset now because it seems like he doesn't want to play, when really...the extra month off could make the difference between him coming back soft or coming back strong.

Ya dig?

 

[Daisy Jane]

Who exactly does the clearing? I assumed if he's been 'cleared' to play, he's cleared by the team's medical doctors, right? Claude did say that once cleared, it's usually up to the player to say yeah I'm ready to go - there's just nothing medically wrong.

I mean - if he's not ready, he's not ready - I just don't know why then he'd be medically cleared?

 

[Community]

Who exactly does the clearing? I assumed if he's been 'cleared' to play, he's cleared by the team's medical doctors, right? Claude did say that once cleared, it's usually up to the player to say yeah I'm ready to go - there's just nothing medically wrong.

I mean - if he's not ready, he's not ready - I just don't know why then he'd be medically cleared?

I think this is the thought process and the best way to think about it:

Imagine you got a tendon in your arm cut, and then repaired... if it took 4 months to heal (it gets stitched and then the body takes 4 months to make it become one complete tendon again with no faults --> it would take a while for a cut tendon to fully heal) you would then get medically cleared at 4 months. However, just because it's healed doesn't mean you can do anything with it. If the main tendon in your arm was cut for 4 months, you would not be able to just pick up a weight or shoot a puck or anything else.

Bolland's the same (with his leg obviously), he was cleared a few weeks ago, but he probably had almost no strength in the tendon at that point... You'd think he'd be back by now, but I'm sure he's trying to make sure it's healed and back to at least 90% so that it can endure physical activity without hurting himself for a longer period of time.

It sucks, and I wish he was back (please this Saturday?).... but I understand why he'd want to make sure it was healed as this literally could have been a career-ending injury.

Edit: This injury isn't like a concussion or a stroke or anything... when he was medically cleared it meant that the tendon was completely healed. For this injury, once it has healed... it's healed. It may not be 100%, but it's not like a concussion where once the symptoms are gone you play right away (symptoms don't go away with this injury right after it is healed because its main symptom is limited/less strength in leg whereas once somebody is medically cleared from a concussion, they're as good as they're gonna get).

Edit #2: Medical clearing would be the team doctor I'm assuming, pretty sure they clear you if they believe that playing would not re-aggravate the injury. In Bolland's case I don't think he would re-hurt it at this point, he just might not be able to be an effective player.

 

[Daisy Jane]

I think this is the thought process and the best way to think about it:

Imagine you got a tendon in your arm cut, and then repaired... if it took 4 months to heal (it gets stitched and then the body takes 4 months to make it become one complete tendon again with no faults --> it would take a while for a cut tendon to fully heal) you would then get medically cleared at 4 months. However, just because it's healed doesn't mean you can do anything with it. If the main tendon in your arm was cut for 4 months, you would not be able to just pick up a weight or shoot a puck or anything else.

Bolland's the same (with his leg obviously), he was cleared a few weeks ago, but he probably had almost no strength in the tendon at that point... You'd think he'd be back by now, but I'm sure he's trying to make sure it's healed and back to at least 90% so that it can endure physical activity without hurting himself for a longer period of time.

It sucks, and I wish he was back (please this Saturday?).... but I understand why he'd want to make sure it was healed as this literally could have been a career-ending injury.

Edit: This injury isn't like a concussion or a stroke or anything... when he was medically cleared it meant that the tendon was completely healed. For this injury, once it has healed... it's healed. It may not be 100%, but it's not like a concussion where once the symptoms are gone you play right away (symptoms don't go away with this injury right after it is healed because its main symptom is limited/less strength in leg whereas once somebody is medically cleared from a concussion, they're as good as they're gonna get).

Edit #2: Medical clearing would be the team doctor I'm assuming, pretty sure they clear you if they believe that playing would not re-aggravate the injury. In Bolland's case I don't think he would re-hurt it at this point, he just might not be able to be an effective player.

oh wow, thanks
i didn't think about it that way - that's how i see things too, with pictures and stuff, so you really put it in a way that i understood

that makes a lot of sense. but i hope he can play soon now, we really need him.

 

[Community]

oh wow, thanks
i didn't think about it that way - that's how i see things too, with pictures and stuff, so you really put it in a way that i understood

that makes a lot of sense. but i hope he can play soon now, we really need him.

Agreed to the bolded... I just thought of it in terms of a science student

If I'm right, then that means when Bolland comes back he'll probably look decently good (obviously not 100%, but he should help our team out).

 

[HellasLEAF]

This team has gone about as far as it can without Bolland and now Bernier.

With the team basically carrying Clarkson and Bolland still out there has been been no real improvement upon last season's forward group at all. This team is thin right now.

 

[Al14]

Me too.

Me three!

I think he made our PK much better and improved our team toughness with his constant hitting.

 

[blue82]

i believe he will be back with 5 games left in the season (at the very least he will attempt to play) if he doesnt come back in those last 5 games then he wont be coming back at all this season & playoffs *IF NECESSARY ( )

 

[rdawg1234]

It's too bad he doesn't want to play, really could use his shutdown presence on the third line, I see him as an upgraded mcclement, much better at offense and equally capable defensively. He really rounds out our bottom 6.

Holland is solid too, but hasn't done much at all lately, and really is more of an offensive centre, but still he's great on the cycle I find, but would much rather have Bolland.