Dave Nonis riding high in return to Vancouver as Leafs GM

[darrylsittler27]

Did he ride high after a loss like that? Nevertheless, 2 and 1 on a Western swing.

We won the Kessel trade but didn't do that well on the Kaberle one. Kessel is the best player in any of those transactions...period.

 

[Delicious Dangles*]

3 goals 4 assists in 13 games isn't much of a contributor? I'm sure Boston would have done just fine with Kessel, but that doesn't make the fact any less true.

3 goals and 4 assists in 25 games. The cup run was 25 games. And he scored 7 points. You can't take out the other games just because he sucked so much they didn't want to play him.

No need to have underlines and caps, I can read perfectly fine. I get it, people are upset about Boston winning the cup, but you can't go around and ignoring what happened. Kessel at the time of Boston's cup was not the same player we know him today. He was more selfish and was a shoot first pass later player.The same reputation that sticks with him today no kidding. Maybe Kessel could have influenced the team better but theres no guarantee because of how he was as a player back then. Maybe they get eliminated in the first round, or maybe they sweep every team

Whatever you want to say Kessel's deficiencies were (however wrong you may be), Seguin had the same deficiencies during that run, only 10 times worse.

He was basically a Kessel-lite, in every way, with less actual skill and no development.

This has nothing to do with people being "upset about Boston winning".

You're right though, Seguin did nothing after! winning the cup. Something people miss in the whole argument. He won the cup in his rookie year. Until the Leafs win a cup, we lost the trade.

The cup is not the same thing as the trade. You don't win both, or win neither. They are separate entities.

Getting drafted onto a good team because of a unique scenario does not automatically make you a good player.
Winning a cup does not automatically make every transaction done in the history of the team, good.

Leafs won the trade. Get over it, and go back to the Boston board.

 

[KuleminFan41]

3 goals and 4 assists in 25 games. The cup run was 25 games. And he scored 7 points. You can't take out the other games just because he sucked so much they didn't want to play him.


Whatever you want to say Kessel's deficiencies were (however wrong you may be), Seguin had the same deficiencies during that run, only 10 times worse.

He was basically a Kessel-lite, in every way, with less actual skill and no development.

This has nothing to do with people being "upset about Boston winning".


The cup is not the same thing as the trade. You don't win both, or win neither. They are separate entities.

Getting drafted onto a good team because of a unique scenario does not automatically make you a good player.
Winning a cup does not automatically make every transaction done in the history of the team, good.

Leafs won the trade. Get over it, and go back to the Boston board.

LOL

Sorry but you can't include games he didn't play. Thats not how things work.Seguin played 13 games , not 25

Really? I'm wrong into thinking Kessel was the same exact player he was in Boston as he is today? Now you're just being foolish. How long did it even take for Kessel to register a goal for the Leafs vs Boston again? Ya, same player alright. We were the same team in the playoffs vs Boston as we were when they beat us in 6 straight games a couple seasons ago? Didn't think so

Look, I never once said Seguin was in any way shape or form BETTER than Kessel. I merely pointed out, he was on the cup winning team and played. He has a cup, Boston does and Leafs don't. Harsh facts I know but you have to deal with it

BS it has everything to do with Boston winning the cup and you know it. Quit lying about it because I pointed it out.

I wont reply to the rest because its all nonsense. Ya, winning a cup has no barring on anything

 

[Delicious Dangles*]

Sorry but you can't include games he didn't play. Thats not how things work.Seguin played 13 games , not 25

He was healthy and available for all 25. They just chose not to play him. I thought we were talking about his contribution to the cup win. Were those other 12 games not just as important?

Over the 25-game cup run, he scored 7 points, 4 of which were in 1 game.

Really? I'm wrong into thinking Kessel was the same exact player he was in Boston as he is today? Now you're just being foolish. How long did it even take for Kessel to register a goal for the Leafs vs Boston again? Ya, same player alright. We were the same team in the playoffs vs Boston as we were when they beat us in 6 straight games a couple seasons ago? Didn't think so

No, he was not the same player, but your evaluation of him is way off, and more closely applies to Seguin, the other player in question.

What Kessel did against one team that had the best shutdown defensemen in the world shadow him 24/7, is irrelevant. Kessel would not be playing against Boston on Boston anyway, so if anything, he would have been a better player than we had seen in Toronto.

Look, I never once said Seguin was in any way shape or form BETTER than Kessel. I merely pointed out, he was on the cup winning team and played. He has a cup, Boston does and Leafs don't. Harsh facts I know but you have to deal with it

Not harsh facts, because it would have happened anyway. Why would I care that Seguin has a cup? It's irrelevant. You could have put a pylon on the team and he would have won a cup. Well, technically they did. But that doesn't mean I want him. The further Seguin is away from this team, the better.

Yes, Seguin has a cup. Boston has a cup. Toronto does not. Unfortunately, this is all irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

BS it has everything to do with Boston winning the cup and you know it. Quit lying about it because I pointed it out.

I wont reply to the rest because its all nonsense. Ya, winning a cup has no barring on anything

I will say it again because it apparently didn't sink in.

The cup is not the same thing as the trade. You don't win both, or win neither. They are separate entities.

Getting drafted onto a good team because of a unique scenario does not automatically make you a good player.
Winning a cup does not automatically make every transaction done in the history of the team, good.

Leafs won the trade. Get over it, and go back to the Boston board.

We all know why you won't reply, and it's not because it's nonsense. Winning a cup affects whether you have a cup or not. It doesn't change anything else.

 

[FreeBird]

Nonis falls off his horse

On the way out of Vancouver of course that wasn't the first time, he got escorted out of town the previously.

Great move he made in the summer Buying out Komi who had only this year left on his contract and would leave cap space for the next two years, instead he kept Liles who has tree years left against the Cap. Any one tell me why the Presidents son in law is still on the roster when he can't play a lick and is drawing an NHL salary.

 

[Duke Silver]

Look, I never once said Seguin was in any way shape or form BETTER than Kessel. I merely pointed out, he was on the cup winning team and played. He has a cup, Boston does and Leafs don't. Harsh facts I know but you have to deal with it.

What is it like living in a 1930s television? A very black-and-white world you live in there.

 

[Leafidelity]

This place after a loss... never fails to amaze me.

 

[ACC1224]

Boston won the cup therefore they've won every trade they've ever made.
Same goes for all Teams that have won.

 

[The Blue Devil]

I think Burke does get his fair credit. But I think something that people seem to push under the rug, or go "well WHO was the GM?" is that Nonis was the one who did a lot of the heavy work to GET Phaneuf, Lupul/Gardiner to Toronto. Burke SAID it. .

Not Lupul/Gardiner. That was also all Burke. He drafted Gardiner and he had a 'history' with Lupul already.

 

[darrylsittler27]

Boston would have won anyways.

Boston won the cup therefore they've won every trade they've ever made.
Same goes for all Teams that have won.

Burke wins the Kessel trade.EOS.

 

[ACC1224]

Burke wins the Kessel trade.EOS.

I agreed. I was just mocking the absurdity presented.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Look, I never once said Seguin was in any way shape or form BETTER than Kessel. I merely pointed out, he was on the cup winning team and played. He has a cup, Boston does and Leafs don't. Harsh facts I know but you have to deal with it

With the exception of Game 2 of the 2011 Eastern Conference Finals which Tyler Seguin had an impact, he basically had nothing else to do with the Bruins winning the Stanley Cup that season.

In 2013 when he was playing a bigger role Seguin scored 1 goal in the playoffs and had a few assists. The only difference being is that Boston lost in the Stanley Cup Finals.