Yemack
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Meh whatever, I dont care whose fault it is. **** happens. I'd say it's best to focus on the future.
Confirmed with Link: Datsyuk Leaving Wings
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Meh whatever, I dont care whose fault it is. **** happens. I'd say it's best to focus on the future.
if datsyuk had any doubts about wanting to play beyond one year, he shouldn't have signed a multi year deal regardless of the 35+ rule
In the words of a renowned philosopher, "Why you haff to be mad? It's just a game."
Ultimately it's just not that big a deal.
Datsyuk stays. So what? He eats a 7.5M cap hit and is nowhere near as good as his peak. He's still our 1C and we lack the cap room to go after any impact players making us a bubble team at best yet again.
Datsyuk leaves and we can't trade his hit. We're a worse bubble team. We could still make a play for the playoffs but obviously it's less likely without Datsyuk who was still our best player.
Datsyuk leaves and we can trade his hit. Now we have 7.5M to go after some big names. If we can get impact players great, we might even be in a better position than with Datsyuk. Datsyuk can't even last a full season these days. A younger player in their prime at least might be able to do that. If we can't get someone, oh well, no different from if we couldn't trade his hit.
If Datsyuk were 30-34 or wasn't obviously severely diminished from his peak this might be worse for us but that simply isn't the case. It's *almost* a wash. We go from barely a playoff team to maybe almost a barely playoff team with or without him. We weren't a threat last year with him and we surely wouldn't be a threat this year with him. To me that makes me shrug my shoulders for anyone saying this hurts us. It actually gives us more potential to be a threat. We were *not* going to be a threat with Datsyuk. He makes us a better team but he also limited our flexibility because of his hit. Without him we might be a worse team but we might also become a better one. Obviously chances are slim on the latter but at least the possibility is there.
Datsyuk stays. So what? He eats a 7.5M cap hit and is nowhere near as good as his peak. He's still our 1C and we lack the cap room to go after any impact players making us a bubble team at best yet again.
Datsyuk leaves and we can't trade his hit. We're a worse bubble team. We could still make a play for the playoffs but obviously it's less likely without Datsyuk who was still our best player.
Datsyuk leaves and we can trade his hit. Now we have 7.5M to go after some big names. If we can get impact players great, we might even be in a better position than with Datsyuk. Datsyuk can't even last a full season these days. A younger player in their prime at least might be able to do that. If we can't get someone, oh well, no different from if we couldn't trade his hit.
If Datsyuk were 30-34 or wasn't obviously severely diminished from his peak this might be worse for us but that simply isn't the case. It's *almost* a wash. We go from barely a playoff team to maybe almost a barely playoff team with or without him. We weren't a threat last year with him and we surely wouldn't be a threat this year with him. To me that makes me shrug my shoulders for anyone saying this hurts us. It actually gives us more potential to be a threat. We were *not* going to be a threat with Datsyuk. He makes us a better team but he also limited our flexibility because of his hit. Without him we might be a worse team but we might also become a better one. Obviously chances are slim on the latter but at least the possibility is there.
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I'm curious if it's actually hard to trade Datsyuk now or if Holland is just posturing...
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I'm curious if it's actually hard to trade Datsyuk now or if Holland is just posturing...
probably just posturing or he still believes dime a dozen prospects like pulks and jurco are still "top prospects"
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Exactly. And pretty definitively shows him wanting to leave predated the ankle injury.
Only thing I can see being gained from that kind of posturing is it artificially lowers the cap room the Wings have. And with a bunch of guys still yet to be signed Holland could point to it as restricting his ability to offer them more.
On the other hand if other teams believe him that there's not much interest then don't they raise their prices because they think they've got Holland in a bind?
Lazlo Hollyfeld
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He definitely is.
I still can't help but love the guy overall. Such a great player who did so much for the Wings, but this is a stain for sure.
And as someone who criticizes Holland often, I should give him credit where it's due for only signing Dats to a 3 year deal and not 5.
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I would say no, because if you ask for too much you end up with nothing. Teams might rather pulks abd a 3rd, over nothing, when they were asking for pulks and a first, either way i see us talking about it all week, and it happens at the draft as expected earlier, teams Want to know what's on the draft board before picks get moved...
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So people thought he might stay after the announcement in April? 
Imagine a guy in a (long-term) relationship trying to break it off. He has to go through hours of consoling to let her down easy, so as not to cause destruction. "Don't worry I just need space right now, I still love you and we could be back together....". After that misery getting off the hook how many guys in the world do you think actually return to the dumpee? I'll tell you, 0.
Imagine a guy in a (long-term) relationship trying to break it off. He has to go through hours of consoling to let her down easy, so as not to cause destruction. "Don't worry I just need space right now, I still love you and we could be back together....". After that misery getting off the hook how many guys in the world do you think actually return to the dumpee? I'll tell you, 0.
TouringReg
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On Twitter the consensus is it's just posturing. This of course excludes the local Detroit media sheep who believe/play up everything KH says.
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Yeah...can't see this not getting done. 7.5M for this year and no free agent ability....or you trade BOTH Jurco and Pulkkinen, get a draft pick back, and AA/Mantha have spots on the roster to show how much better they are than Jurco or Pulkkinen and we draft players who would be better than Jurco or Pulkkinen.
I mean...if I had to throw in Brendan Smith on top of Jurco or Pulkkinen...I do it in a heartbeat.
This is not the year for Holland to start posturing and making it look like he has no idea what he's doing. We need bulldog/aggressive Holland who can sell hot molten aluminum to an ant farm.
I'd want to keep Smith if possible. In fact I'd ditch Ouellet over Smith, easily.
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So now that Pavel did this conference and made it completely official that he has no intention of playing in the NHL, isn't the impending trade obviously purely cap circumvention? I kind of feel like the league would have to do something about it to avoid looking like a joke. I mean what is the point of having the 35+ clause and the cap floor if you can pull **** like this?
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I doubt that, but for those of us who are only interested in returning to championship contention, there's no difference between 29 & 34, and the last few years, because either way, the Cup ain't coming here.
If you TRY to rebuild, in 5 years this roster could be in fantastic shape.
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They've already allowed it before with contracts like Pronger and Savard, the NHL isn't going to do anything.
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At the end of the day, Datsyuk only screwed Detroit for one year. I'll take that in exchange for two more Stanley Cups.
Sure..if they want to ditch his deal, they'll have to thrown in a draft pick or player or both. There is still far more good when he was here to become bitter over him leaving.
Especially for a guy at the end of his career.
Sure..if they want to ditch his deal, they'll have to thrown in a draft pick or player or both. There is still far more good when he was here to become bitter over him leaving.
Especially for a guy at the end of his career.
Our team is still too good to plumet, we won't be getting 2-3years of top 5-10 picks, we will be right outside of the playoffs in the 10-14 range maybe one top 10, we arent has enough to be a dumpster fire to the bottom with out moving people
I haven't seen any of that. I don't think it's unreasonable at all to be unhappy with a guy who knew before he even signed the contract that he didn't want to stay. At best, he was extremely naïve and totally uninformed about the salary cap situation and was duped by his agent. At worst, he knew, was trying to get maximum salary and didn't care about leaving the Wings in a bind. It's not that he's leaving, it's that he's leaving the Wings with a 7.5 million dollar cap hit AND he's continuing to play hockey. Was there any animosity towards Calvin Johnson? None. He didn't leave the team with a cap hit and he's actually retiring, not going to another league to play. What I see as a travesty is fans actually trying to blame Ken Holland.
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I think if the Wings don't make any contract-related moves (Datsyuk, Howard, Ericsson), they'll plummet for sure. At least for one year. The streak will be good as dead, and I imagine they'll draft in the top 10.
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Happy for the time we did have with Pavel. A HHOF career and I will miss watching him play a great deal, though I might wake up early to catch a few of his KHL games.
It couldn't have ended much worse though, very sad that was the case.
It couldn't have ended much worse though, very sad that was the case.
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