Dare we hope?

[Henry Miller]

There is always hope, but the question is will the hope come to fruition…best case scenario is the Flyers are good 5 years from now. You can’t predict out that far in sports

 

[Columbus Hockey Dad]

1. Do you have any faith in the new regime when it comes to building a championship caliber NHL team?
I have no data in one direction or the other to answer that question. That's a big, giant, "we'll see."

2. Will John Tortorella continue to work for the organization once he is no longer coaching? And, if so, can anything good come of it?

No, he's here through the lean years until we're starting to turn the corner on a rebuild. 2-3 more years.

3. Will Comcast sell the team within the next decade?

Not until the team is on the rise. Would you sell an asset at it's lowest value? Neither would they.

4. What is your best case and worst case timeline for when this team will return to the upper echelon of the NHL?

Best case: Four years.

Worst case: Never

 

[Nizzle]

 

[renberg]

Is it PR crap? It's completely in line with how everyone in the organization thinks.

If you want to see it that way, you can. I don't necessarily believe that that is how everyone in the organization thinks. Obviously Briere and Torts didn't buy into the Scott/Fletcher program. They're gone. It's been said that more changes are forthcoming. So more of those types of thinkers will be out.
One thing that has been clear for years now is that Comcast has put the word out that they want a consensus management group running the Flyers. It's the current corporate way of running organizations. Although it failed to succeed under Scott and Fletcher, Comcast management still is holding on to that model. It's why Jones, Briere and Tortorella are now where they are and others are not. They play well together in the sand box.

 

[Rebels57]

My only hope with Jones calling the Panthers-Hurricanes series is that some of what he sees rubs off on his thick skull. These teams are both playing fast hockey with an emphasis on quick transition and possession.

Hope will only get you so far though.

 

[Beef Invictus]

If you want to see it that way, you can. I don't necessarily believe that that is how everyone in the organization thinks. Obviously Briere and Torts didn't buy into the Scott/Fletcher program. They're gone. It's been said that more changes are forthcoming. So more of those types of thinkers will be out.
One thing that has been clear for years now is that Comcast has put the word out that they want a consensus management group running the Flyers. It's the current corporate way of running organizations. Although it failed to succeed under Scott and Fletcher, Comcast management still is holding on to that model. It's why Jones, Briere and Tortorella are now where they are and others are not. They play well together in the sand box.

I still don't understand why a consensus model would exclude some of their most prominent employees.

 

[freakydallas13]

I'm unsure why you think this would be the case

2 of the 3 members of the triumvirate are dinos.

 

[BiggE]

My only hope with Jones calling the Panthers-Hurricanes series is that some of what he sees rubs off on his thick skull. These teams are both playing fast hockey with an emphasis on quick transition and possession.

Hope will only get you so far though.

He watched possession drivers like Giroux, Voracek, and Ghost for years and seemed to learn nothing.

 

[Curufinwe]

I'm just waiting for Jonesy to say how much the Canes could have used Risto or Deslauriers if they end up losing.

 

[Audible Velvet]

1. Nope.

2. Sadly, quite possible. Nope.

3. Doubt it, but hope so.

4. 8 years/up to 15

Edit to simply repeat what has been expressed a hundred times already - expecting the worst with all of this until the purge happens.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Yep. When asked. If they don't get asked, they'll have no input. I can't see the Triumvirate going to Clarke for advice. Timonen for sure but not Clarke or Barber. Their era is gone in many ways.

you should brace yourself for a letdown! when you discover they are just as much involved if not even more so with the new suits being fully onboard with grinder hockey

 

[BrindamoursNose]

So, out with Cuck in with Jonesy and Danny Boy. Should we have any hope?

I’d like your answers to the following:

1. Do you have any faith in the new regime when it comes to building a championship caliber NHL team?

2. Will John Tortorella continue to work for the organization once he is no longer coaching? And, if so, can anything good come of it?

3. Will Comcast sell the team within the next decade?

4. What is your best case and worst case timeline for when this team will return to the upper echelon of the NHL?

My answers will follow in a separate post.

1. Sure...just not Torts
2. I pray the f*** not
3. Probably
4. Best case? 5 years. Worst case? 8 years. I may not be a fan by that time if it takes that long.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

1. Do you have any faith in the new regime when it comes to building a championship caliber NHL team?

I'm going to quote myself from January '22.

Indicators of a well-run hockey ops department:

1. Shows a thorough understanding of aging curves.
2. Shooting variation cannot explain away most of their bad decisions.
3. Prioritizes talent over fit at the NHL level.
4. Doesn't draft for need.
5. Understands that draft picks need to be made in high quantities.
6. In-house player development is priority #1.
7. Doesn't give depth players term.
8. Doesn't pay secondary pieces like stars or tertiary pieces like secondary ones.
9. Attemps to sell players at high points rather than low. If the latter occurs, they try to rehab them and then make the sale.
10. Adaptability to the current strengths of the NHL roster rather than rigidly filling a shopping list.
11. Consistently wins in the margins.

I don't have any evidence they could pass a single one of these criteria. The best indicator we have right now is a potential interest in trading Hart showing evidence of understanding point #1.

Of course, I should have added the role a coach has in your org as point #12, but even the Canucks wouldn't be that stupid in 2023. Alas.

2. Will John Tortorella continue to work for the organization once he is no longer coaching? And, if so, can anything good come of it?

Sure, if he wanted to be a background player, he could help with player development. But he doesn't and I doubt ever will. And more to the point, when he decides to make something an issue, everything goes straight to raw sewage. There's no managing him.

3. Will Comcast sell the team within the next decade?

Nope.

4. What is your best case and worst case timeline for when this team will return to the upper echelon of the NHL?

Everything breaks impossibly well: 3-4 years. I'm talking Gauthier is Matthews and 7OA is Marner.
Everything breaks well, but on a reasonable scale: 5-6 years
The 20th through 80th Percentile outcomes: 8+
Everything breaks poorly: 6-8

 

[Audible Velvet]

I'm going to quote myself from January '22.

Indicators of a well-run hockey ops department:

1. Shows a thorough understanding of aging curves.
2. Shooting variation cannot explain away most of their bad decisions.
3. Prioritizes talent over fit at the NHL level.
4. Doesn't draft for need.
5. Understands that draft picks need to be made in high quantities.
6. In-house player development is priority #1.
7. Doesn't give depth players term.
8. Doesn't pay secondary pieces like stars or tertiary pieces like secondary ones.
9. Attemps to sell players at high points rather than low. If the latter occurs, they try to rehab them and then make the sale.
10. Adaptability to the current strengths of the NHL roster rather than rigidly filling a shopping list.
11. Consistently wins in the margins.

I don't have any evidence they could pass a single one of these criteria. The best indicator we have right now is a potential interest in trading Hart showing evidence of understanding point #1.

Of course, I should have added the role a coach has in your org as point #12, but even the Canucks wouldn't be that stupid in 2023. Alas.




Sure, if he wanted to be a background player, he could help with player development. But he doesn't and I doubt ever will. And more to the point, when he decides to make something an issue, everything goes straight to raw sewage. There's no managing him.



Nope.



Everything breaks impossibly well: 3-4 years. I'm talking Gauthier is Matthews and 7OA is Marner.
Everything breaks well, but on a reasonable scale: 5-6 years
The 20th through 80th Percentile outcomes: 8+
Everything breaks poorly: 6-8

I like your list and agree that these people haven’t shown a grasp on any of it. It’s rather frustrating.

 

[Lord Defect]

It does not matter what this org does, I will have zero hope for them to be worthwhile to care about until they show me that they are. Even then I’ll be hesitant.
This team is the sports/fans equivalent of an abusive dog owner/dog relationship. They’ve spent years neglecting the fans and beating them into submission with one astonishingly bad move after the other. I’m not coming near them at the first sign of a treat.

 

[ponder719]

So, out with Cuck in with Jonesy and Danny Boy. Should we have any hope?

I’d like your answers to the following:

1. Do you have any faith in the new regime when it comes to building a championship caliber NHL team?

2. Will John Tortorella continue to work for the organization once he is no longer coaching? And, if so, can anything good come of it?

3. Will Comcast sell the team within the next decade?

4. What is your best case and worst case timeline for when this team will return to the upper echelon of the NHL?

My answers will follow in a separate post.

1) Faith, no. That is earned. Hope is not, so I have the dimmest spark there. It's possible that the blind squirrels have finally tripped over a nut that is not their own.
2) Frankly, I'm surprised he wasn't named PoHO. Yes, most certainly, and I don't believe so, to 2a.
3) Depends. Do I win the Powerball several times between now and then? If not, no. The team is too valuable as a content generator.
4) Best case timeline: 4 years, likely requiring a bottom-out this year, acquiring a first from someone who expects to be good then utterly ballses up their season, and getting two unexpected top 5 picks this coming year.
Worst case timeline: The Buffalo Sabres will pity us.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

My only hope with Jones calling the Panthers-Hurricanes series is that some of what he sees rubs off on his thick skull. These teams are both playing fast hockey with an emphasis on quick transition and possession.

Hope will only get you so far though.

sadly Dinosaurs are incapable of understanding what a incoming meteor means

 

[Curufinwe]

There's definitely a chance the Flyers are like the Sabres and end up missing the playoffs for over a decade. The last time they were in was 2011, and it's harder to make the playoffs now with 32 teams instead of 30.

2011 Stanley Cup playoffs - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[TheKingPin]

I think the only hope I have is that we hit on

Cutter
2023 1st
2024 1st and 1st

If that ends up in 4 star players, W, C, D + then you have a core to play with the likely good depth we will have. Otherwise, I don’t see enough once guys like Couts are bad. With no 2nds, you need to have a Dallas like draft just over the course of a few seasons.

 

[EdmFlyersfan]

So, out with Cuck in with Jonesy and Danny Boy. Should we have any hope?

I’d like your answers to the following:

1. Do you have any faith in the new regime when it comes to building a championship caliber NHL team?

2. Will John Tortorella continue to work for the organization once he is no longer coaching? And, if so, can anything good come of it?

3. Will Comcast sell the team within the next decade?

4. What is your best case and worst case timeline for when this team will return to the upper echelon of the NHL?

My answers will follow in a separate post.

1) I am more optimistic with Briere than Chucky, I am just hoping Briere can make the necessary changes and build a top 10 team within the next 4 years. I think we have some assets, if used wisely can get us there.

2) Torts will be offered a management role, he's pretty much there already.

3) I doubt Comcast will sell the team

4) Best case scenario for a top 10 team is 3 years, likely 4 years away if everything goes according to plan and they aren't total idiots.

 

[Rebels57]

There's definitely a chance the Flyers are like the Sabres and end up missing the playoffs for over a decade. The last time they were in was 2011, and it's harder to make the playoffs now with 32 teams instead of 30.

2011 Stanley Cup playoffs - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And even if they get in, who is to say they won't go 21 years between series wins like the Islanders?

 

[dragonoffrost]

So, out with Cuck in with Jonesy and Danny Boy. Should we have any hope?

I’d like your answers to the following:

1. Do you have any faith in the new regime when it comes to building a championship caliber NHL team?

2. Will John Tortorella continue to work for the organization once he is no longer coaching? And, if so, can anything good come of it?

3. Will Comcast sell the team within the next decade?

4. What is your best case and worst case timeline for when this team will return to the upper echelon of the NHL?

My answers will follow in a separate post.

1) OH HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL NO
2) Probably will get a FO job, OH HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL NO
3) NOPE!
4) NEVER

 

[DancingPanther]

I'm going to quote myself from January '22.

Indicators of a well-run hockey ops department:

1. Shows a thorough understanding of aging curves.
2. Shooting variation cannot explain away most of their bad decisions.
3. Prioritizes talent over fit at the NHL level.
4. Doesn't draft for need.
5. Understands that draft picks need to be made in high quantities.
6. In-house player development is priority #1.
7. Doesn't give depth players term.
8. Doesn't pay secondary pieces like stars or tertiary pieces like secondary ones.
9. Attemps to sell players at high points rather than low. If the latter occurs, they try to rehab them and then make the sale.
10. Adaptability to the current strengths of the NHL roster rather than rigidly filling a shopping list.
11. Consistently wins in the margins.

I don't have any evidence they could pass a single one of these criteria. The best indicator we have right now is a potential interest in trading Hart showing evidence of understanding point #1.

Of course, I should have added the role a coach has in your org as point #12, but even the Canucks wouldn't be that stupid in 2023. Alas.




Sure, if he wanted to be a background player, he could help with player development. But he doesn't and I doubt ever will. And more to the point, when he decides to make something an issue, everything goes straight to raw sewage. There's no managing him.



Nope.



Everything breaks impossibly well: 3-4 years. I'm talking Gauthier is Matthews and 7OA is Marner.
Everything breaks well, but on a reasonable scale: 5-6 years
The 20th through 80th Percentile outcomes: 8+
Everything breaks poorly: 6-8

Nice to see you back, jojo

 

[04hockey]

So, out with Cuck in with Jonesy and Danny Boy. Should we have any hope?

I’d like your answers to the following:

1. Do you have any faith in the new regime when it comes to building a championship caliber NHL team?

YES, I'M GONNA GIVE THEM AT LEAST A YEAR BEFORE I CRITICIZE

2. Will John Tortorella continue to work for the organization once he is no longer coaching? And, if so, can anything good come of it?

DON'T HAVE A CLUE

3. Will Comcast sell the team within the next decade?

DON'T THINK SO

4. What is your best case and worst case timeline for when this team will return to the upper echelon of the NHL?

I'M THINKING 3/4 years @ MOST.....HOPEFULLY

My answers will follow in a separate post.

 

[Asnito]

So, out with Cuck in with Jonesy and Danny Boy. Should we have any hope?

I’d like your answers to the following:

1. Do you have any faith in the new regime when it comes to building a championship caliber NHL team?

2. Will John Tortorella continue to work for the organization once he is no longer coaching? And, if so, can anything good come of it?

3. Will Comcast sell the team within the next decade?

4. What is your best case and worst case timeline for when this team will return to the upper echelon of the NHL?

My answers will follow in a separate post.